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mircea_popescu: "Brian Krebs, who talks about the weird symbiotic relationship he has with the criminal underworld" orly ?
mats: i do not enjoy this game of catching the falling knife
decimation: actually the fact that usg is weirdly reactionary is probably the only thing holding it together
decimation: I suppose what I am getting at is that having any kind of distinction at all flies in the face of usg's egalitarian sermonizing
mats: going to college is a privilege
mats: is this not the case?
decimation: sure, but in centuries past the distinction was based on nobility vs. commoners
mats: somebody has got to drive the bus and another to read the map
mats: dunno that i agree with that
decimation: it's all bullshit anyway, why bother with the distinction
decimation: well, technically officers are commissioned, not enlisted
mats: because they are
trinque: I spent a couple summers on air force bases in texas in the jrotc thing
mats: ranger regiment does it informally to clear out trash
mats: old traditions are alive in select groups
decimation: asciilifeform: I think they gave that up in the 90's
asciilifeform: mats: they have not yet invented beating-the-shit-out in u.s. army ?
decimation: a pro mexican (or in your area salvadoran) framing team can frame a house in a day
decimation: ^ yeah they probably would do a shit job
mats: all the joes would piss and moan, good luck getting anything done when they take smoke breaks every hour
decimation: they are a class that is privledged with construction
decimation: today every labor union in the country would be up in arms
decimation: but that was 1929
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decimation: asciilifeform: they used to do exactly this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapidan_Camp
asciilifeform: i imagine it will materialize when the nominal 'civilian control over army' evaporates
asciilifeform: mats: i wonder when usa will adopt the ancient ru tradition of commanders 'borrowing' entire regiments to build their country houses, chop wood, etc. ☟︎
mats: i spent some time loaned out like lawnmower
decimation: asciilifeform: I've seen recruiters for medical folks for this kind of position
trinque: my googling suggests it depends on the service
asciilifeform wonders where mats met these in the proper army
mats: get a 'walking profile' so you don't even hafta run the distance in fitness test.
asciilifeform: is even permitted to grow fat
decimation: yeah, still get the 'customs and courtesies'
decimation: I think they do a few weeks of basic
decimation: yeah, they are 'officers' mostly in pay scale only
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decimation: in the army 'warrant officer' is a specific rank
asciilifeform: and never sent to command anything
asciilifeform: what is it called in usa when you are nominally an officer, but only because you had ph.d. when you put on the uniform
asciilifeform: perhaps i am thinking of wrong term here
decimation: major isn't warrant officer, that's field grade
asciilifeform: mats: some snakepit. perhaps one of these. can't recall presently
trinque: heh, I bet the locals would love a russian speaker around.
asciilifeform: decimation: the office next to mine at old work was inhabited by a russian fella. with rank of major.
decimation: asciilifeform: actually it would be interesting to be a russian speaker there
asciilifeform: mats: one time when i was out of work for many months, i applied to be a... sysadmin in afghan. but was rejected, with polite letter that 'you gotta already be in the army.' for some reason this was not stated in the wanted ad.
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah I think that's kinda the idea
mats: i had a whopper this week and couldn't finish it
decimation: asciilifeform: if stuck on base, you got a burger king, they are apparently universal
asciilifeform: mats: but presumably not because of the high-quality ways to spend time off work there ?
mats: my biggest regret is not going to afghan
trinque: uber-wealthy king that funds research?
trinque: what's a social institution that works for this?
asciilifeform: mats: from my perch, it looks more like patent office (i.e. actual work) than the other kind
mats: i enjoyed .mil service for this reason
trinque: I think I'd kill myself at any govt agency
trinque: or any other such thing
trinque: I'm blessed I suppose by seeing software as only incidental to business
asciilifeform: bad, bad usg to work for.
decimation: unless you minimize your time there to become a patent lawyer
decimation: yeah it's terrible work
asciilifeform: mats: heavens no. they make you work!
mats: so what i'm hearing is i should apply to be a clerk at the patent office
decimation: asciilifeform: that sounds like a nice life, as long as you can work on what you want and aren't bothered by paperwork
decimation: "The simplest way to explain the behavior of any bureaucratic organization is to assume that it is controlled by a cabal of its enemies. "
decimation: what's conquest's third law?
decimation: yeah, I buy that, good job for someone 'married to work'
decimation: one can hardly raise a family in the wash dc area for $80k
asciilifeform: until the funding runs out
asciilifeform: so long as the thing you like to do can be done in front of a computer in a converted broom closet - you're in heaven.
decimation: the trouble is they still must eat
trinque: good place for scientist types to ponder; makes sense
asciilifeform: for most of the 'staff', this consists of reading porn, yes
asciilifeform: you can sit there and do mostly whatever.
asciilifeform: having worked in a very obscure usg bureaucracy (one of the many army labs) i will say this - it is a kind of valhalla for folks with own projects / ideas. not because anyone will support these (smoke less crack) but because there is virtually no accountability, management, or actual task
trinque: not that insane to collect a good check and be relatively certain of life ☟︎
decimation: otheres have found something interesting to do
decimation: surely many of them are insane
asciilifeform: no one ever talks about the 'up side' of being a bureaucrat, but i think it is necessary. otherwise you are stuck believing that these people are clinically insane (they are not.) ☟︎
decimation: "Very low quality workforce overall. At times NSA employment feels like welfare for ex-military who couldn't get better jobs. Moreover, because there are too many employees, we cannot reward the highest performers with a reasonable salary."
trinque: I suppose that's what the win8 machines were for
trinque: asciilifeform: still the thing must leak at the level of operational communications
decimation: doesn't sound like a sinecure to me
trinque: thank some god or another for that, then
decimation: heh "Cons: The management. The lack of parking. The decrepit facilities. The location. The political fallout from recent events."
asciilifeform: the only reason the nukes have not yet 'wandered off' is that the 'serious' part of usg works the same way as my house, or mircea_popescu's ☟︎
trinque: I wouldn't mind that being the case.
trinque: maybe they're safer than I think
trinque: we're making new weapons-carrying machines all the time
asciilifeform: trinque: go connect flash drive to pdp-8.
trinque: nobody ever connects a flash drive at the weapons installations
trinque: like the boeing entertainment system
trinque: and I know such systems are supposed to be disconnected from other networks, sure
trinque: everything the NSA and other unmentioned corruptors have done has made us utterly. weak.
trinque: with the abovementioned rot, I tend to anticipate the day when some US enemy of the many just turns whatever network-connected weapons we have inward.
decimation: lol it might be worth making a burner identity to read these reviews
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asciilifeform: plus the mega-benefits of guaranteed employment for life, fat pensions, health 'insurances', etc. ☟︎
decimation: doesn't look like big money to me