asciilifeform: in linked thread , asciilifeform asks the q of whether this problem is even theoretically approachable.

asciilifeform: if tomorrow usg decides 'btc will crash to 5k' and moves the arrow on goxes to 5k/per , everybody goes 'it's 5k', even folx who swear they never look at a gox. imho this is a bug. and no i do not have a proposed pill. is all.

asciilifeform: it does not solve the problem ( am i only one who sees it as problem ? ), merely moves it , like the orthodox j00z moved their bread oven lighting to goy-modem

asciilifeform: i did read this ( both 1st pass, when posted, and last night )

asciilifeform: i'm not objecting to the 'opens tcp to to usg server' part. but to the price signal.

asciilifeform: there's a substitute that doesn't use gox temperatures for anything ?!

asciilifeform: imho this is a bug.

asciilifeform: nyt is not in our process loops. yet for some reason gox is.

asciilifeform: recall, whole subthread started as, roughly, as asciilifeform:'why is there a gox in our process loop'

asciilifeform: ^ not counted as 'regard as relevant' ?

asciilifeform: !#s !~ticker

asciilifeform: '

asciilifeform: 'this tank , it is inflatable, why to waste a bomb on it;

asciilifeform: ( 'nobody can be arsed' is imho a valid hypothesis, and i've nuffin to offer against it )

asciilifeform: plox to expand ?

asciilifeform: but is there a flaw in asciilifeform's logic ? if the goxes are really as shallowly supplied with btc as previously suggested, it ought to take a quite modest bag of usd, to do them in. and yet nobody's done ?

asciilifeform: *usd-long

asciilifeform: without any direct contact with goxes.

asciilifeform: seems to me that anyone with a bag of usd, could thermonuke the gox price-dampener scam.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was thinking moar re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817438 thread. it is almost certainly the case that the usg gox ensemble would try to prevent a hypothetical usg-long mircea_popescu from buying up all of the coin and sending price to maxint. but what could they do to prevent 9000 types of insect who show up to buy 9k coin to take to 'we give 50k/per' dispenser. ☝︎

asciilifeform: ^ this item, it appears cost literally its weight in gold, to deliver.

asciilifeform: !!v 643E588AD1C290B0358F5C0D268ED12167F9AD6E709F259685086DF6E8116C56

asciilifeform: !!invoice ben_vulpes 0.00756304 FG<->rockchip TTL cables ( incl. orc delivery )

asciilifeform: !~ticker --market all

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: and the cable cost 9.92 usd, but in total crate cost 57.58 usd , plus whatever BingoBoingo paid ( anything ? bus fares ? )

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: of which only 5 was spent , according to dhl, for crate to travel to UY

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: took 20 days, from moment order put in, to nao

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: congrats!

asciilifeform: also holyfuq, what is 'index unit' ? is this like ye olde 'convertible ruble' ?!

asciilifeform: ( handling cash in orcistan where cash van robbery is national sport, is , i'd expect, not inexpensive )

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: possibly they dun trust the employees to handle cash ? or aren't contracted with cash van co. ☟︎

asciilifeform: why repeat the mistake with the accountant.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: is there a reason not to go straight to city hall or wherever the magic actually happens ?

asciilifeform: meanwhile, in a galaxy far away, 'where did bernstein go?' 'to write crappy stego apps' >> http://elligator.cr.yp.to ( https://archive.li/KwRAu )

asciilifeform: pretty odd

asciilifeform: spyked: what ver gcc was it building with ?

asciilifeform: spyked: this looks like classic gcc5ism

asciilifeform: oh hey.

asciilifeform: meanwhile in classic trilema, http://trilema.com/2014/lets-pretend

asciilifeform: or rather, only in header, but not in article list

asciilifeform: Mocky: nope, still doesnt't show from your main page

asciilifeform bbl,sleep

asciilifeform: ohai mod6

asciilifeform: aha i also LL(1) parsed it

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: yer riddles are nphard, lol, require stepping through all possible mappings!111

asciilifeform: i think he's bringing up the fella who failed to shoot aha

asciilifeform: makes sense

asciilifeform: it is somewhere below bus fares

asciilifeform: while i agree in re 'penny saved is penny earned', wr and wu fee diff does not rank 1st, or even 20th, in the expenses table

asciilifeform: different, i suspect, worlds.

asciilifeform: 5k-weighing nothings ?

asciilifeform: hey BingoBoingo , does dc eat paper wu output ? ☟︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: dc dun eat wu, afaik.

asciilifeform: to BingoBoingostan -- 36.

asciilifeform: and admittedly i last saw during bush reign.

asciilifeform: to ru.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: depends, apparenty, on receiving country

asciilifeform: ly of qty, oddly )

asciilifeform: ( and independent

asciilifeform: a wu, oddly, costs slightly less.

asciilifeform: here in this monkeystan, a wire costs fiddybux.

asciilifeform: prices are published, how else, esp if selling, as we evidently must ( tho i muchly wish it werent so ) to heathendom

asciilifeform: naaa

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i dun like that it's tied to goxes, not the fact that it's public

asciilifeform: and trades on it

asciilifeform: he sets it openly. just , today he knows tomorrow's rate

asciilifeform: who said 'secret'

asciilifeform: but otoh the time for stalin's ruble peg prolly hasnt come quite yet.

asciilifeform: it irritates asciilifeform that hitler gets to set the exch rate, by way of goxes, and ride the waves

asciilifeform: trinque: i suspect that this is the only viable pill

asciilifeform: !#s piz_tab

asciilifeform: or piz_tab

asciilifeform: trinque: see today + yesterday invoice

asciilifeform: nighty esthlos

asciilifeform: it went 90s-ruble

asciilifeform: rright i recall

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to be fair , pizarro dun necessarily need usd-flavour printolade, comceivably other flavours would suffice

asciilifeform: they dun roll, at all.

asciilifeform: i don't demand the frictionless wheel, mircea_popescu . but currently all of the 'wheels' aint even round.

asciilifeform: afaik each and every one of these, is guilty of selectively cancelling orders when exch rate swings wrong way

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was speaking of usg-style kyc, with 'scans', 'where is the money from', clawbacks.

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: for so long as we're actually smaller than the goxes collectively

asciilifeform: *us

asciilifeform: but then anyone can come and work heat engine against usl

asciilifeform: suppose we proclaimed , like ussr proclaimed for ruble, that btc is worth , e.g., 50k usd ea. nao and 4evah

asciilifeform: let's make a small gedankenexperiment , mircea_popescu

asciilifeform: it bothers me that i can't even picture what a successful cut away of goxism would look like.

asciilifeform: witness, even we, poll goxes to get 'usd rate'

asciilifeform: verily

asciilifeform: and i'm not even sure if 3 is physically possible

asciilifeform: the elementary one: 1) no kyc, in any form 2) wot uber alles 3) no usg price-fiddling influence

asciilifeform: aa so absorbed into the beast then.

asciilifeform: where is it now tho?

asciilifeform: i believe.

asciilifeform: on top of this, i haven't, i suspect, the table stakes.

asciilifeform: if there is an actual free market in btc, i've never seen it, smelled it, heard it.

asciilifeform: gox chorus aint a market.

asciilifeform: trinque: what market.

asciilifeform: the lack of closed model suggests that large fiatola holders prefer to buy coin on the sly or not at all. which makes sense in light of cowardice.