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ascii_field: funkenstein_:
they are out, but belong
to usg & its antipodal counterparts
ascii_field: and you don't have
the ones you might like, but solely
the ones
the chip came with from xilinx etc
ascii_field: which is
to say,
they are all over
the place and connected by
the equivalent of very long wires
ascii_field: but it is still not a
true asic, because
the pieces are not movable
ascii_field: kakobrekla: 'hard copy fpga' has fixed metal, rather
than sram LUTs for routing matrix. so slightly faster (and significantly cheaper
to manufacture)
than ordinary fpga
funkenstein_: "In your labyrinthine journey, [..] in
the world of iron, learn
to catch
the
thought behind
the machine or it will swallow you."
kakobrekla: yeah just
that
the era of fpgas he meant was over purely because of economics
ascii_field: kakobrekla: at
the very least, every single one of
the ~publicly sold~ chips, afaik, fits
this description as per
the published specs.
funkenstein_: wow, no wonder
the era of fpga mining didn't last long
ascii_field: considering
that
to me,
the ~whole fucking point~ of fpga is
to get a computer which ~i and only i~ define
ascii_field: (of having
to use
the gui, every
time you get a slightly variant chip, and of never coming remotely close
to understanding wtf is in
the black box)
ascii_field: funkenstein_:
the extra charges, but not
the retardation
ascii_field: (and only a paid-up,
to
the
tune of 100K+ usd, or well-cracked, xilinx
toolchain, will even
talk
to
the $200-300 ones)
funkenstein_: so properly cracked
turds will get you out of
the extra charges for.. using
the hardware you paid for?
ascii_field: funkenstein_:
they -also- charge $maxint for
the hardware
funkenstein_: that is fucked btw.. why can't
they charge for
the hardware?
ascii_field: and if you want, e.g., a 100BaseT nic, or sdram controller, it has
to be laid out mainly by hand using floor plan of
the particular chip and explicit coordinates. which vendor can do, and you (user) cannot.
ascii_field: funkenstein_:
the way it works is
that
there is literally no way
to build a 'bitstream' (as
the configs are called) for a chip without using vendor's
turd
toolchain
assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 17:32:11; ascii_field: (xilinx, altera, actel, etc. ~all~ make
the bulk of
their revenue by charging rent for 'properties' like 'the right
to have a network card' in your fpga)
assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 16:01:16; mircea_popescu: and consequently
this whole story is moot other
than for
the similarity with
the past. it
took
the magical box allowing you
to
talk
to people over
the ethers a few decades
to arrive starting in
the 70s, or a few millenia
to arrive starting pre caesar. in
the interval, cellphones were mostly magic rings.
ascii_field: (homogeneous - per 'specificity of diddling'
theorem)
menahem: hahaha, imagine a
team of us.
shinohai: I want
to
take a picture of myself wearing it and post it
to reddit
to see how many downvotes I get :D
ascii_field: and
the folks who have notions
that it is, demonstrate a
total black-as-night unmarred by any light ignorance of
the physical basics involved
ascii_field: it isn't happening or so much as credibly
threatening
to happen
ascii_field: (morons pulling
their cocks in 'nanotech'-flavoured ways does NOT count as work)
ascii_field: not in any way
that leaves any public evidence of itself whatsoever, at any rate!
shinohai: Thank you menahem, I bookmarked. My world is not complete without a mircea popescu cult
t-shirt.
assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 16:02:44; mircea_popescu: yes
they understood
that you can send communication over wires or over waves. but
they did not understand what
they were doing was "sending communication" in
these
terms, or in short
they were speaking in prose but unaware of what prose is.
assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 15:52:09; mircea_popescu: (and similarly prop delays are an empirical phenomenon, cheaper
to measure
than
to make a new chip)
ascii_field: (xilinx, altera, actel, etc. ~all~ make
the bulk of
their revenue by charging rent for 'properties' like 'the right
to have a network card' in your fpga)
☟︎ ascii_field: the entire
thing, note, is built specifically around making
this activity as unpleasant and expensive as possible.
ascii_field: aaaand it is done by
tearing apart
the (x86)
toolchain, rather
than
the chip
ascii_field: i will remind readers
that reversing fpga is not impossible, and has been done. but
takes ~20 years and chip is usually unobtainable after 5-10 (sooner if vendor learns
that you're doing
this)
mats: note
that
this has been unpatched for ~6mos
kakobrekla: 400k active users is everyone who ever visited
their webpage +
theri dog + webrobots
mircea_popescu: yes
they understood
that you can send communication over wires or over waves. but
they did not understand what
they were doing was "sending communication" in
these
terms, or in short
they were speaking in prose but unaware of what prose is.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: now we understand
that retrospectively,
the chord in phones is not a requirement but an anachronism, and we expect everything be available as wired or wireless at our option. but
the wired/wireless dichotomy was not even meaningful
to bell, or marconi.
mircea_popescu: and consequently
this whole story is moot other
than for
the similarity with
the past. it
took
the magical box allowing you
to
talk
to people over
the ethers a few decades
to arrive starting in
the 70s, or a few millenia
to arrive starting pre caesar. in
the interval, cellphones were mostly magic rings.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: yes,
that so far is right.
the
thing it fails
to account for is
that roads create
traffic, not
the other way around. it's not need
that creates advance, as
the idiots writing schoolbooks claim.
the other way around.
assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 13:42:52; asciilifeform: midnightmagic: meanwhile please go and 'nanofabricate atom by atom'... one mosfet. (it's been done! so what if you need a 'gigabuck' of gear
to crap out an item which is worth a nanopenny...)
then get back
to us
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1165957 <<
this is you know, like saying
that "printed matter powered education is nonsense, it costs more
to write
the infolios
than an entire campus of ivy league's worth". or, for
that matter, "it
takes more work
to program a sound card
than it
takes
to
think
through all
the problems humanity has
thought
through so far".
☝︎ mircea_popescu: (and similarly prop delays are an empirical phenomenon, cheaper
to measure
than
to make a new chip)
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i am not for a moment arguing against
the closed
turdness approach ddram is wrapped in
assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 13:17:59; asciilifeform: you can pick up a
textbook and write a dram controller for fpga from first principles - and it won't work. because, for starters, only a small number of output cells in
the chip can function on both rising and falling edge of clock cycle (what 'ddr' means) and only xilinx's closed
turd knows where
they are in
the routing fabric;
mircea_popescu: i didn't stomp all over
their stupid faces
those were different faces of different anon derps.
this
time it'll work!!!
mircea_popescu: no wait,
that must be wrong. it was... oh... uh... iot was a DIFFERENT REDDIT!111
shinohai: If yu want rabid inflation
that having no hard limits on blocks causes,
try doge.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile reddit iirc was rabidly "bitcoin must have endless blocks
to be
the only currency".
mircea_popescu: i
thought we were
the only ones left
that actually believe
there is a place for scrip like usd &
the rest of
the fiats, doing roughly
the job of movie
tickets and coffee coupons
mircea_popescu: These guys believe, without a
trace of irony,
that
there will someday be no other currency
than Bitcoin"
mircea_popescu: "qntra.net is a rabid bitcoin maximalist blog, run by one of
the permanent fixtures in
the #bitcoin-asshats
tribe.
mircea_popescu: like some never grow out of
the other infantile deformities.
mircea_popescu: (and
the original reason high heels were invented. if
the girl's properly heeled, you can't
tell)
midnightmagic: Notice
the lack of foot arches. I
thought
that was a sign of a lack of exercise.
jurov: not my
type, i'm more for bears
mircea_popescu: something like
that. prolly phrased by original author more in
the vein of "i jus dun care!11"
mircea_popescu: i know girly doing
that number'd pretty much look hot regardless. but
the straight me
thinks it's rather disqualifying for a man.
midnightmagic: That moron should be wearing shoes,
those rocks are sharp.
mircea_popescu: let jurov never say i don't have anything in
this vein.