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hazirafel_: any recommendations for learning c++? how much
time do you
think is needed for basics? are questions welcome on
this chat?
hazirafel_: yeah i need
to register. ok so you're saying learn c++ and read
the source code?
hazirafel_: mircea you're
talking about
the developers guide?
hazirafel_: who am i? :my name is sarah, i live in
the 'holy land' , i did some programming courses in collage but bitcoin actually motivates me
to learn
the nuts and bolts, was looking around
the net, saw a recommendation of
this cha
mircea_popescu: a) not in any sense funny and b) very dangerous, ion
that it offers you
the illusion of having understood (through recognition mostly) but no actual understanding. which is how people end up writing insecure applications
mircea_popescu: the problem with reading
the developer guide is
the same problem with reading mark
twain,
the cliff notes.
mircea_popescu: the alternative, if you are a business person, is
to have a programmer "read it
to you", but
this is expensive and rare a
tradecraft, so. expect
to spend
the next year laying groundowkr, mostly in
terms oif reading
the codebase and wondering at
the wonders of c++
hazirafel_: ok cool. i've been reading
the developers guid
mircea_popescu: hazirafel_ listen,
there is no practical way
to understand anything relevant re bitcoin without actually reading
the code. and
the code is c++. you will have
to do
this as a first step.
assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 20:34:36; ascii_field: nubbins`: can
then say 'i
took 5ug and discovered proof of goldbach's conjecture' or 'i
took 500 and learned
that
thirty-three is purple'
hazirafel_: i forgot i read
that being nice on
the internet makes people
think you're stupid. any fucking help bit-assholes?
mats: magic mushrooms make me want
to poop myself during
the entire experience
mircea_popescu: instead,
they're preoccupied with
the liberty problems of
trans-idiots.
mircea_popescu: and only agreed
to hire a replacewment once
the replacement swore he is firing every single lieutenant in
the department ?
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 20:07:16; ascii_field:
they machine-gunned his dogs
hazirafel_: don't know if
this is a good place
to ask, but here ... i'm code literate in java , and i really want
to learn
to know my way around fiddling with blockchains and bitcoin, i would love advice on places
to start and where
to get help and information. i guess i need
to learn C first but i'm looking for more advice.
thanks!
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 20:05:17; ascii_field:
trinque: always wanted
to
try
this, but never came close
to accessing
the dope
shinohai: Then once I figure out how
to produce
these hallucinogenic effects at will in my mind, I shall sell
the secrets on Agora and dry it all up.
assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 19:53:19; nubbins`: unfortunately mp just left so he is unable
to inform us
that
the hallucinogenic effects of drugs don't exist and we're deluding ourselves into pretending
to be hallucinating
funkenstein_ considers bitaddress.org + coinb.in on offline box
the reference wallet
mircea_popescu: it'd be nice if
the reference client provided
this, however, what with
thew "accounts" bullshit and etc in
there, i doubt it'll be
this decade.
mircea_popescu: sooner or later everyone ends up with a full bitcoin data manipulator built in
their favourite language, python or not.
mod6: in
the case of pywallet.py, it looks like you just have
to --dumpwallet, instead of being able
to feed it a pub address and getting out a privkey right?
shinohai: That is just a hacky
thing
to me
though. Definitely not a full scale solution.
mod6: anyway, I haven't had a chance yet
to
try out
the pywallet.py
thing myself; ascii_field lettuce know if it works for ya plz.
mod6: ascii_field
tried last night
to backport 'dumpprivkey' and 'importprivkey' from phoundation-0.7 and found
that relevant data structures are entirely different << yeah, i found
the same
thing back 5-6 months ago when
trying
to do
the same
thing. glad
there seems
to be a workaround, i'm
told.
mircea_popescu: they keep pretending like oh,
the miners bla bla. nobody, ever, actually used
the shit raw. because you can't, because obvious reasons.
mircea_popescu: seriously, anyone gives a shit abvout what you release ? as anything other
than
toilet reading material ? when did
that happen ?
mircea_popescu: kind-of why
the blind insistence / pretense put forth by
the power rangers is so amusing
to me
mircea_popescu: nobody serious
to my knowledge has used
this software as-is.
ascii_field: iirc
there was an external kludge
that walked db ?
ascii_field: also how
the fuck did anyone use bitcoin for serious battlefield operation prior
to dump-/importprivkey ?
mircea_popescu: yes,
this is why 0.7 was right off when we discussed
the branch
ascii_field tried last night
to backport 'dumpprivkey' and 'importprivkey' from phoundation-0.7 and found
that relevant data structures are entirely different
menahem: i'll def
take some responsibility
to fund
that in
the future.
mircea_popescu: if it ever makes you rich, donate
to
teh bitcoin foundation
menahem: we had 1 sale of
the MP
tee :D
menahem: ecommerce
tracking wasn't added until last night
mircea_popescu: menahem so is
that "130 people checked it out 0 bought" ?
mats: uniques,
the currency of
the internets
trinque: and look, backed up by
tweets!
jurov: heh. so
they should be striked out of gun violence stats, got it
mats: protect kids from
their parents, mostly
ascii_field: what purpose is served by 'bolt separately' other
than
to satisfy inspectors ?
ascii_field: why not keep white flag instead of rifle
then ?
mats: few hoods know
to bring four dudes and clear corners
mats: usg is
the only actor id be worried about breaching my home
ascii_field: mats:
try
to
think like usg. police show up, you are alive and slum bunny is dead. prosecutor: 'proof
that he had
the bolt in. otherwise he oughta be dead.'
mats: could knife
the fella or just put
the weapon
together,
takes less
than 30s
to unlock and load
mats: not hard
to detect an intruder, and
there are easy ways
to fashion fatal funnels
to defender's advantage
ascii_field: mats: do you at least have a bayonet? or plan
to bludgeon intruder with
the butt of
the bolt-less rifle ?
mats: am a fan of locking and storing
the bolt carrier group and actual weapon separately
BingoBoingo: tldr: Pool implements a replace by fee patch, derps herp because it means People can double spend before
the
transaction is committed
to a block!
☟︎ wyrdmantis: I was asked if
there is a "defense" plan
to "isolate"
the Bitcoin XT nodes or something similar. I
thought
this is a non-issue for you guys...
☟︎ kakobrekla: i
think its 0.1 per slot per month if you are interested
Naphex: i want
to place xotika ads, not
the other way around :P
punkman: mats: i'd suggest
testing it yourself but nobody ever wants
to actually buy msg < I've bought a bag of msg, it's pretty great
mats: i
think i'll have dim sum
this weekend
mats: thats probably it,
too much salt is a common complaint
mats: i would not be able
to identify msg as
the culprit for
the new flavor profile
cazalla: well i'm assuming it was MSG but i'm not a fan of it or overly salty shit and
that's what it was
mats: i'd suggest
testing it yourself but nobody ever wants
to actually buy msg
mats: msg presents differently in various
things
☟︎ cazalla: yeah my missus and her friend were raving over
this yum cha place but i'd never go again, fkn msg on everything
mats: fried and heavily salted shit, strong flavors like 'orange chicken', 'general
tso's chicken', etc
mats: there's a much bigger emphasis on subtlety
thats often misinterpreted as blandness by foreigners whose palettes are accustomed
to american chinese food
mats: with
the real, high quality stuff, can eat it plain
mats: i'd say its subtle rather
than bland
cazalla: mats, not so much
the
texture but
the
taste.. it's just bland (or maybe i've only ever had shitty
tofu)
punkman: even
the asian imports guy around here doesn't carry
tofu, dunno why
mats: is it
the
texture
that you don't like about
tofu?
mats: you'll never be fooled into
thinking its meat, but i rather like meat substitutes for
their flavors
cazalla: not sure i'd eat
that.. not a fan of
tofu