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asciilifeform: but in such a way that the box lives out its remaining life, rather than being lifted by the first idiot copper scavenger who comes along.
asciilifeform: nah, you want to take serious advantage of the expendability
BingoBoingo: I'm thinking more steel sheds, rural locations that happen to be near interections of big city fiber. Prospective franchisees would be the local small town "computer repair" folk
asciilifeform: though i still like my proposal for sinking miners to the bottom of the north atlantic, more.
asciilifeform: you will need to seal to keep out moisture, but if repair is not a concern (machine is disposable, replacement gets new burial plot) this is relatively simple matter
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Individual enclosures, one time setup fee which covers adapting the machine to its new cooling and power situation
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes was there, saw this
asciilifeform: perhaps bury them in the earth (with chimneys for hot air.) sorta like the tombs in recoleta cemetary in buenos aires
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: pre-emplaced in sand pits and fused mains wiring, for the inevitable halt&catchfire ?
BingoBoingo: I am starting to think "Olde Laptop Colo" might make a nice franchised business
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 02:00:31; ben_vulpes: are there some scripts kicking around for connecting to arbitrary nodes?
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 01:59:36; ben_vulpes: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000043.html << i have a hunch we're going to see approximately the same ratio in irc
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171397 << mno. if it's in the channel, it is a live pre-gavin node (OR crafted impostor...) ☝︎
trinque: someone should alias meadenodes.com to xtnodes.com
asciilifeform: mainly on whether you actually pay for the mains current
trinque eyeballs the big chinese mining farms
trinque: probably depends on whether you have a relationship with someone making the hardware
ben_vulpes: maybe its the best busines for pillaging some specific kinds of subsidies?
ben_vulpes: (or so it seems from the outside).
ben_vulpes: mining is the worst business.
ben_vulpes: moreover i'm not convinced it wasn't a stooge who broadcast the RBF txn to make the tweet in the first place
asciilifeform: btw, one of the (not so) secrets is that mining does not select for 'the brightest bulbs at home depot [u.s. household goods shop]' - nor for political acumen, nor for really much else other than the peculiar countereconomic wormholes which make it sound like a reasonable proposition
ben_vulpes: clearly don't understand how theWerld Werks (tm)
asciilifeform: i can picture the minutes. 'hitler: you know, miners are using own versions of bitcoin and don't particular feel like backporting their necessary mods to yours. hearn: so let's do the work for them. gavin: fine idea' ☟︎
ben_vulpes: me too
asciilifeform: aimed to replace 'seekrit miner versions'
BingoBoingo: Apparently enough pools though were on derp and herp choosing "see first mine first"
ben_vulpes: it's about inclusion logic after transactions got broadcast
asciilifeform: shitgang is trying to push a 'for miners' version of turdcoin ?
ben_vulpes: prefer transactions with high fees over transactions with low fees
asciilifeform: if they don't, they are fools, and it isn't any fault of mine
asciilifeform sorta assumed that miners already optimize for snarfing up max fee ☟︎
asciilifeform: i don't get it. anyone was already able to specify arbitrarily high fee
BingoBoingo: on the same inputs
ben_vulpes: convention for a long time was that "the earliest broadcast transaction wins" as some sort of half-assed soft-connsensus-aka-fecal-matter prophylactic against double spends
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's basically just Peter Todd made the first public code available to do this
ben_vulpes: it is in no way to the best of my knowledge a change in anything of import
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, BingoBoingo: what is so peculiar about including whatever transaction fee? this was always possible ..?
BingoBoingo: The Tood thing works through pure profit incentive
ben_vulpes: nevermind that nothing keeps people from selecting transactions for block inclusion arbitrarily
ben_vulpes: broadcast a transaction with a higher fee, miners will include it preferentially to a previous transaction with the same inputs ☟︎
asciilifeform: how does it (claim to) work ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Hearn and Co are pushing some derp where "Those Bitcoins are yours even before the transaction is mined" idiocies
asciilifeform does not, sadly, have time to personally follow all of the crackpotteries
asciilifeform: what even was this?
BingoBoingo: "AntPool just missed out on 4.644BTC/$1128USD worth of transaction fees because they weren't mining with full-RBF" ☟︎
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The Todd replace by fee patch is probably derp to hell, but it leads to some of the best Hearnia trolling outside this channel https://twitter.com/petertoddbtc/status/612780261109960704
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: USG is on that list plenty of times.
ben_vulpes: same is true for the major haskell shops.
asciilifeform: http://franz.com/success << claimed endorsements. notably absent from list is usg, who i have strong reasons to believe is the main buyer.
asciilifeform: (very confusingly, there was also a 'franz lisp')
asciilifeform: which was the subject here
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: ~nothing whatsoever~ to do with allegro common lisp (franz inc.)
thestringpuller: http://alleg.sourceforge.net/ << asciilifeform is the 2nd result from google, assuming you guise are talking about lisp
asciilifeform and has used allegro, and knows that it is, overall, superior in every way (but this) to the available alternatives
asciilifeform: closed-source toolchains can go die in a fire
ben_vulpes: p sure we all have vastly better things to be doing
ben_vulpes: but who's going to implement a clim irc client on allegro
fartacus: but I bet it's sexy under the hood
fartacus: thing wasn't even showing chan text without switching out of and back into the buffer
fartacus: ben_vulpes: this beirc seems like another one of those "hey cool, made something that works in clim. I think I'll go get a job now" projects
asciilifeform: as in, is this a hardcoded idiocy in gcc proper ? its linker ? where ?
assbot: Logged on 21-06-2015 21:18:37; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/0RT585M.txt << still getting calls to getaddrinfo it looks like
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-06-2015#1170972 << btw, anybody got a handy link to what precisely generates the message seen here ? ☝︎
asciilifeform: incidentally, anyone who owns old cars and frequents mechanics would have to be blind to suggest that usd is not palpably inflating ☟︎
BingoBoingo: At least will find nice headlights in the header
ben_vulpes: you'll not find much in there.
asciilifeform reads the latest two articles from ben_vulpes
ben_vulpes: no, i noticed the snip. i figured smarts were involves.
ben_vulpes: i actually did not notice this.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: be so kind as to try an experiment. ping the box whose hostname i snipped out. notice - not same ip. replace ip in irc.cpp with this. then run.
asciilifeform: trinque: also help to run on weird archs
asciilifeform: trinque: that's what the shears are for
trinque: or at least they're leaking through
trinque: asciilifeform: still comes with tasty binary treats, apparently
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 02:05:08; mircea_popescu: chrome is seriously taking over the internets.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171410 << 'chrome' (or, more practically, the open-source trimmable version 'chromium') is the only remaining graphical browser for unixlikes that isn't screamingly retarded ☝︎
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Looks like the original 160 GB hard drive. I'll probably end up applicancing it into a node
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i see in the logs where you had a node fail to snarf seed from the old irc
ben_vulpes: oh, you want to see debug.log
BingoBoingo: Well, he's moving into his girlfriend's place and long ago she bought him a bunch of Apple shit to replace it so indeed too big to move laptop
mircea_popescu: a too big to move laptop.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell ben_vulpes what happened to posting debug.log
asciilifeform: ;;late tell ben_vulpes what happened to posting debug.log
BingoBoingo: ascquaintance was moving and did not want to move this HUGE thing
mircea_popescu: can't argue with that.
mircea_popescu: yeah. the previous buzzword wankatron
mats: anybody have any idea wtf this reactive programming stuff is
trinque: and they say progress is dead
trinque: to think, people will be able to play oculus angry birds right from facebook
mircea_popescu: minus side, nothing other than crimeware's worth doing anymore.
mats: plus side, crimeware never escapes the sandbox.
mircea_popescu: android thing was just a decoy.
trinque: even though yeah, they've got the android one
trinque: an answer to the app store thing from google
trinque: read some article where they said this is *precisely* what WebAssembly is
mircea_popescu: definitely got it. and im sure some idiot "woman in tech" a la carly fiorina is going to bring a shittier apple itunes store on it
mircea_popescu: i see it ~40%. with the next two TOGETHER at 40%.
trinque: rather than competing with microsoft or apple in the OS space, they just snuck their way in with their own OS
trinque: can be amusing to think of chrome as a google rootkit