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pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: seems like a tricky and rather specific detail to unearth about treblinka. may be apocryphal ?
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: spandrell's 'we should stop and think what makes bold people bold, and what patterns are common to people who can fight back' is reasonable observation ☟︎
BingoBoingo: A couple years later I was at a conference I wanted to nope the fuck out of, had one left in my grooming package. Challenged the up escalator and lost. Thankfully my (actual) sherpa kept me from falling in the Chicago river
trinque: BingoBoingo: yeah I took some for the hell of it
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: that they were men is no surprise of any kind. but the detail i recall was that they were men who either had no wife, no sister, in the camp (or knew that these were safely dead)
BingoBoingo: trinque: The cognitive impairment if I remember correctly is at least equivalent to 750ml of 80 proof liquor
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: just scanned it. account describes particular atrocities against women and babies, but doesn't specifically state that 700 "workers" who staged coup were mostly or entirely men.
trinque: started talking to me about the rollercoaster theme park he was at one night
asciilifeform: does it mention the interesting detail re: the women ?
assbot: Uprising in Treblinka ... ( http://bit.ly/1JdmiXY )
BingoBoingo: If in bed immediately after ambien... much sleep. Problem is I developed tolerance to the stuff rapidly.
asciilifeform: destroy the extermination area; and, then help the remaining prisoners escape to the forest. Many were killed during the rebellion, including all the resistance leaders, as the flames and reports of the revolt brought German reinforcements from all directions. But as many as 200 prisoners escaped to the neighboring forest, and perhaps twenty of those men survived German efforts to recapture them.'
asciilifeform: 'At Treblinka, an underground organization plotted an armed rebellion and mass escape. Learning about the Warsaw ghetto revolt from the last transports of Jews brought to Treblinka from Warsaw, the organizers decided the moment for revolt had arrived. On August 2, 1943, the underground fighters put their plan into action: to steal arms from the warehouse; eliminate the German and Ukrainian guards on duty; set the camp on fire;
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Mostly it triggered some interesting visual things and a profound compromise in judgement equivalent to a fifth of bourbon, but without the other tell tale warnings actual booze would offer.
pete_dushenski: !s treblinka
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: ah yes, this rings a bell now. probably from the logs.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: what 'odd things' did ambien trigger for you ?
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: my recollection (ru sources) is that treblinka was the site of one of the very few uprisings on account of the participants in said uprising having already lost their women
assbot: Aging As a Disease. In the Pipeline: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jdm0QG )
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: for translation purposes : french and spanish. the romanian bits i do, awful as they are, are only because mp authored them.
BingoBoingo was prescribed Ambien to sleep in Undergrad. Made the mistake of taking before getting last cigarette of the evening. Ambien can trigger some odd things.
asciilifeform: ^ this re: the quoted thread with spandrell
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski ought to write a piece on the uprising at treblinka.
asciilifeform will catch up on dope when he is finally confined to the психушка
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You've never had a whole bottle of dextromorphan only cough syrup and communed with your toilet bowl contemplating "All" ☟︎
pete_dushenski: robotrip sounds like robocop come back from the dead as a walking zombie
asciilifeform is very much out of date on dope trivia
pete_dushenski: ambien "It is a short-acting nonbenzodiazepine hypnotic of the imidazopyridine class[3] that potentiates GABA, an inhibitory neurotransmitter, by binding to GABAA receptors at the same location as benzodiazepines.[4] It works quickly, usually within 15 minutes, and has a short half-life of two to three hours."
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Ambien makes one trip balls if you stay awake instead of sleeping
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: indeed it's from tlp. and it's a sedative.
BingoBoingo: Consider college towns. Local population of students who want a seedbox for torrents who can't on the campus network because of network restrictions on. Just need any box they can ftp into.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: 'Sorry, hun, doesn’t work like that. That was the Ambien you took.' << is this the new substitute for lsd ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Who said it wins? I'm merely suggesting it could take in more dollars than expended. At the moment McDonalds is losing.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: nice job ? y'know i'm taller than that guy ;) though i can see the similarity ☟︎
assbot: Epidemiology is hard to follow. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jdl7HU )
pete_dushenski: cazalla: i'm seeing the comment. also, replied. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/19/epidemiology-is-hard-to-follow/#comment-21039
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'm just at a serious loss to picture how this wins.
BingoBoingo: But the franchise model was suggested for a reason. When dealing with homo reddictus must put meatshield up to absorb derp.
BingoBoingo: It really would. Or what was that thing which clustered a bunch of opteron slices.
assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 21:46:21; trinque: http://www.pcengines.ch/case1c2u.htm << looks great
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: that'd easily fit half a dozen of, e.g., these, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162727 ☝︎
BingoBoingo: I'm trying to think out a way to chump this down to $20 per box
BingoBoingo: AH, in this region there is not such a deal I can drive to. A bring the box colo costs $70 USD for 1 rack unit
asciilifeform: and how does it beat the 20-30bux/mo an old pentium3 in data center costs?
BingoBoingo: to host three machines in different locals for the price of one machine in a big city datacenter
asciilifeform: what, again, would you pay actual money to host in such a place ?
BingoBoingo: Oh I never said house. I said shed. Shed goes on shitland, in town's once industrial district. Preferably a "superfund" site.
BingoBoingo: USG datacenters 10 miles away in Marion, IL off of the pipe path because prisons and FBU
asciilifeform: but at no point does it make sense to emplace anything of any value whatsoever in mr. randomschmuck's house.
asciilifeform: but still largely empty, because in bezzleworld 'cheap' is a relative thing.
BingoBoingo: Prime candidate for such an operation is carbondale, Illinois. Lived there once. Oasis of connectivity in a desert. Major chicago-New Orleans pipe. Indianapolis pipe. St Louis pipe. Shithole Kentucky pipes. Many hippies who want to "buy local"
asciilifeform: they are being filled up with 'dc on the cheap'
asciilifeform: incidentally, just about every american town of any size has a version of this: the hollowed-out fortified walls of the old strowger-switch telco exchanges
BingoBoingo: A number of these fucktowns even have major connection endpoints in the form of bezzelversities
BingoBoingo: Mapsploring I am finding a disturbing number of duelingbajos-fucktowns which by all right ought to have datacenters advertising colospace based on cable locations and intersections.
asciilifeform: (hell, possibly whole usa is candidate for this)
asciilifeform: desovietization will leave those folks where they belong - with highest tech level available being the hog harness
asciilifeform: places which only even have telephones because usg imposed it
asciilifeform: laying cable to nowhere-duelingbajos-fucktown is not an economically +ev proposition.
BingoBoingo: More turkeys is a very hard problem. More chickens is much easier.
asciilifeform: usa is a shit-internet country. this won't change because there is no good reason for it to change
asciilifeform: brings back to a fundamental point from one of mircea_popescu's articles - shuffling things around is not going to increase 'number of turkeys available'
BingoBoingo: And now we have the real crux of the problem. How to get chumps to subsidize serious pipe
asciilifeform: this is not to be found in a residential unit, and certainly not in usa
asciilifeform: thing is, what you're actually paying for is proximity to respectable pipe
asciilifeform: i have a few boxes like this myself
asciilifeform: fractional rack space with terrible hardware already exists
BingoBoingo: AirBNB the datacenter
BingoBoingo: Which is the beauty of this idea. Find folk who would sell fractional rackspace
asciilifeform: (typically they go by full rack)
BingoBoingo: Other maybe applications of such service though might be IRC bouncers and personal mail machines
asciilifeform: this costs money, so find 40 friends to split it with
BingoBoingo: Actually this idea was born from I have phree machine, want to appliance it up with Bitcoind, but making it a super public seeder on the home connection would be the suck.
asciilifeform: what, other than bitcoind, would you even consider putting on such a thing
asciilifeform: as it is, there is a lower bound for what is worth bothering with at all.
asciilifeform: if the past 40 years of computer retardation hadn't happened, and we used a stack with support for seamless process migration, 'voting circuit' computation, etc. it would be practical to use '1024 chickens' arrays of arbitrarily garbage hardware
BingoBoingo: Revenue source for franchisee is setting up machines, collecting rent, and selling good feels to the locals
BingoBoingo: Major revenue source for mothership is selling the franchisees laptop cages, cooling, and FeNi batteries
BingoBoingo: I think Comcast and a few cableco's do this for wifi
asciilifeform: i'm told there are equivalents for other american carriers
asciilifeform: vendor very much did not like (2) and they closed the hole which made reflashing the rom trivial. now you have to actually open the plastic box, oh noez.
asciilifeform: as result, the only folks who bought were 1) chumps 2) people who wanted to make own 'stingray'
asciilifeform: btw, my local telco quasimonopoly - 'verizon' - had a hilarious tamer version of this for some years, where you pay a few hundy for a box that opens a vpn to their end and gives you cell signal in your house, via your own net pipe. and they had the audacity to still charge for the 'minutes' and per MB of data.
BingoBoingo: Seriously, this has all the promise of a great chumpatron except every now and then a customer does something worthwhile
mats: brb submitting my ycombinator application for this idea
asciilifeform: or your kitchen, as a place for bums to cook roadkill in
asciilifeform: this has all the appeal of renting out the toilet in your house as a public latrine
BingoBoingo: Typical imagined customer is small business that wants to support other local business. Connosieur customer wants access to pipe without fucking up their netflix at home.
asciilifeform: but five metres of cement - or 500m of salt water - that would be something.
asciilifeform: snorefest because this has literally no serious advantage over normal hosting
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: schmucks in, iirc, germany, doing this already. see logs
BingoBoingo: Point for the customers is access to pipe and power off of their own premises. Physical security offered against naive scavengers, but premise could scale to hundreds of locations. Cheap and easily replicable
asciilifeform: (machine includes vibration, ph, sensors, clinometer, magnetometer, etc. if readings deviate from 'pylon is happily alone in the earth' memory gets zeroed and walked over, continuously)
asciilifeform: see the literature.
asciilifeform: (it is possible to break up cement, but not without anyone noticing. this is the basic principle for the nuke test-ban compliance gadget used on both sides of the ocean) ☟︎
asciilifeform: whole point would be the physical security of a few metres of cement
asciilifeform: if box is easily accessible, 'skin not worth the tanning'
BingoBoingo: customer brings boxen, pay setup then power+pipe. Value proposition to franchisees is small town computer outfit gets an avenue to engage in rent collection.
BingoBoingo: Sure, but I'm thinking you do so by getting machines from the customers.
asciilifeform: (not because valuable, but because copper scavengers need to be publicly flayed rather than encouraged) ☟︎