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decimation: the apple model is
to
try
to convert your software into hardware
decimation: I saw a real-life gold mine
the other day, saw a
truck carrying 300
tons of rock
decimation: asciilifeform: depends if
thief is using hand ax or 300
ton earthmover
decimation: although it keeps
the big obvious infringers off 'your' land
decimation: in fact, it seems
to me
that claiming
the land is counterproductive, just because it shows 'where
to dig'
decimation: trying
to get usg
to care about your 'property rights'
decimation: land open
to
this is mainly west of
the mississippi
decimation: asciilifeform: no mainly
through nobody's doing, apparently it is still legal in
the us
to 'claim' federal land for mining
decimation: but since nobody is printing crystals, etc
they can make $$
decimation: apparently
there are people who spend
their
time
trying
to find minerals on federal land
decimation: and a
third button
that reverts machine
to known state
decimation: asciilifeform: if you had a winblows computer for malware, it would also be useful
to hit another button and display a complete diff between running state and 'known good' state
decimation: or as in, can be exploited if reversing
the wrong warez?
decimation: because it would be like paying for
the sun
mats: most of
the serious dudes i know have non-attributed ida licenses
decimation: asciilifeform: once you add a few more zeros
to your bank account, probably can't be bothered with a few extra $k
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform maybe wot is
the pill
to no longer be angry.
mats: its pretty easy
to say 'well i got hacked plz gief another one'
decimation: this sounds like
the best mechanism for
trying
to enforce 'copyright' I've heard of
mats: or however
that works.
mats: i'm from
the internets, why settle for free
decimation: mats: i
think
there's a free version of ida for download
mats: asciilifeform: i should probably sign up
to be jr malware analyst or some such
thing.
decimation: but anway if you want
to reverse software you need ida
mats: asciilifeform: i don't have anything specific in mind. have been developing my
talents in exploitation but i'm kind of stuck as
to how
to move forward
decimation: yeah but it does emulate x86, I gotta
think someone has integrated debug
decimation: mats: you could probably do
this with valgrind
too
mats: i want
to easily see
the values of all registers (as noted before) including bit flags, fp registers, ...
decimation: asciilifeform: my own experience is
that it's way more difficult
to paper over shitty hardware in software
than
to make reliable hardware
mircea_popescu: mats gdb is what eulora uses if
that makes you feel any better.
mats: rr is neat but limited... reversedb is limited
to linux.
mats: while i'm on
the subject here is
there useful reversible debugging you're aware of, asciilifeform?
decimation: in fact,
to even seriously consider writing software for which you are liable is
to instantly consider dumping
the existing c-machine
decimation: even simple programmers know what it would
take
to write bug-free code
decimation: asciilifeform: a large reason why
this problem exists is becuase you can't sue microsoft for damaging your shit
decimation: sure, why bother actually finding malware when people will pay you
to pretend
mats: would love
to read
that secret sauce
decimation: ideally someone would make one with a button
to freeze and dump all registers
decimation: asciilifeform: you almost need real metal box, because of all
the vm detection
mircea_popescu: and you will be
telling me about how hard it is
to escape, right, because moving off windows will require "someone
to provide
the lost income"
mircea_popescu: which is
the eventual fate of all government agencies.
decimation: the only
thing I use winblows for is
to record
tv shows, because
they give free listing service