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asciilifeform: decimation: iirc chinese focused more on the immortality thing
mircea_popescu: i just went through 5k lines today of how they don't.
decimation: at least to some definition
mircea_popescu: both claimed, very similar almost identical things
mircea_popescu: what is sailing ? and why has the same tech done different things for the dutch, the english, the spanish, and the latins ?
decimation: yeah, but which alchemy turned lead to gold?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform alchemy was not fundamentally the same thing for chinese and italians.
assbot: Logged on 25-06-2015 03:49:51; asciilifeform: because there is no way to effectively amortize the astronomical costs without running a scam of one kind or another.
decimation: the 'two parties' thing kinda became a convenient foil to distract the masses while the bureaucracy runs things
mircea_popescu: not all people react to same tech same way.
asciilifeform: ic is fundamentally 'statalizing' tech
assbot: Logged on 25-06-2015 03:55:27; asciilifeform: this is why i believe that the discovery of integrated circuit was a serious 'degutenbergization' from which we have not even begun to recover.
mircea_popescu: the reason the us has two parties may have more to do with the indolent stolidity of the usians minds than any rule of nature.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let me just point out that the theory of "unavoidable monopoly" has issues. for instance, cabs in buenos aires are still un=united.
decimation: yeah, it sounds like the turkish government
mircea_popescu: da fuckiung world we live in. viasat has been doing satellites forever. google is a newcomer in the field. spacex is a newcomer in general. yet the viasat ceo has to explain why he, the expert, is doing what he's doing. the newb schmucks aren't expected to explain themselves.
asciilifeform: (picture if the 'anti-centralization hardfork' were a regular event.)
asciilifeform: if you even smell the practice - your whole system has failed in a catastrophic way
asciilifeform: rather than practice.
asciilifeform: thing is, like the old-fashioned proverbial nukefest, above scenario works best as a game-theoretical device
mircea_popescu: why, they're cute. everyone watches their "journals" like kitten pics.
asciilifeform: (somebody plz tell the 'strings' folks this?!)
asciilifeform: 'what is the point of building a doomsday machine if no one is told!' (tm) (r) ('strangelove')
mircea_popescu: mutually assured anal pain, in the sense they get it.
mircea_popescu: if we don't know this is the case it's not the case.
mircea_popescu: if we know this is the case, the blocks change to briock their mining gear.
asciilifeform: sorta how working nukes gotta stay on the table
decimation: and if you want to put a txn on the block, gotta meet their terms
decimation: what's going to prevent the situation where only two or three miners remain
mircea_popescu: unpleasant as they are.
mircea_popescu: which is why hard forks gotta stay on the table
asciilifeform: ^ see also today's asic thread..
decimation: as the asic investment gets more expensive, it becomes more centralized and oliogopical
asciilifeform: 'Colby asked if he could have a firing squad. No, Howard said, he could not. Howard said a firing squad would just be an ego trip for Colby, the blindfold and last-cigarette bit, and that Colby was in enough hot water already without trying to "upstage" everyone with unnecessary theatrics. Colby said he was sorry, he hadn't meant it that way, he'd take the tree. Tomas crumpled up the gibbet sketches he'd been making, in disgus
decimation: what about the pile of asics they gotta buy and feed?
decimation: seems like they are 'commanders of capital' in the classic robber-baron sense
decimation: are miners slaves or the elite?
asciilifeform: (which sums to the observation that it is possible to breed people to become a kind of cow)
assbot: Logged on 25-06-2015 04:39:01; decimation: but it would be nice for the miner to send a polite rejection 'add yer fee'
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1175675 << you don't want the bitches talking back. for the obvious reason that if they can, they will, and next you're gonna have voting or some stupidshit like that. ☝︎
decimation: and of course, in retrospect everything looks like a good deal: "You should ask the people who actually got to pay for the projects and got to pay the extra sums, whether they are happy about it. Of course, later generations are happy about a project, because they get it for free ride. "
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the actual behaviour works in nature. and has its own context. this lacks both those factors.
mircea_popescu: im unconvinced this is stotting. i don't dispute it could be called that, but then again anything could.
asciilifeform: picking at the general principle of 'cheapest shaman' observation
mircea_popescu: what, it keeps the muslims orderly in line to raping the spanish hos v 2.0 ?
asciilifeform: somebody gotta tell the gazelles this.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform thery all deliver the same results.
assbot: Logged on 25-06-2015 04:36:15; asciilifeform: i will confess that i've always found the whole 'mempool' thing to be a dodge
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1175664 << it is, and remains, the premiere systematic, actual problem of the protocol. somehow, this will have to be fixed. ☝︎
asciilifeform: that's like saying 'if going to stot, jump as little as you can'
decimation: what if one fortune teller is amazingly accurate?
mircea_popescu: afaik the entire thing';s rubbishj, and if you're going to hire fortune tellers, always hire the cheapest.
decimation: I knew you would bite on that line
mircea_popescu: i wish to be shown this "magic aesthetics".
decimation: "That means that we don't have any other buildings. It's equivalent to taking Frank Gehry, who is considered the world's most famous architect by now and who is considered to be in the same league as Jørn Utzon regarding doing magic aesthetics and magic buildings. ... That's the cost of the Sydney Opera House. It was not a success; it was a huge failure, in those terms. "
decimation: the megaprojects guy describes the failure of the sydney opera house: "The cost overrun was 1400%. And as always when cost overruns happen, the architect was blamed, and his work situation became so uncomfortable, he found that he actually left the project in the middle, with his family, and flew out of Australia, never to return." ☟︎
asciilifeform wonders about the choice of elevator. gotta have been like those old pirate hangings, with hang/unhang/hang/unhang sequence
decimation: he points out that the new guggenheim museum in bilbao spain delievered
asciilifeform: on time!
decimation: well, for megaprojects ( > $1 bils) the answer is almost none
mircea_popescu: what's the project that was on time on budget and delivered ?
mircea_popescu: i dun think this yet happened.
decimation: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2015/05/bent_flyvbjerg.html > re: megaprojects: " Guest: No, it's actually worse than that. Nine out of ten have costs that are underestimated. Nine out of 10 have benefits that are overestimated, and 9 out of 10 have schedules that are underestimated. So, when you combine those, it's actually a very small fraction of projects that both are done to budgets, to schedule, and deliver the promised benefit
mircea_popescu: http://glyf.org/tmp/bastard-delay.png << great graph thx.
decimation: asciilifeform: or the 'drop nukes behind steel shell' method
mircea_popescu: we want 1k+ launch events each day, and we want a total of 100 tons shipped upstairs a day.
mircea_popescu: that's the predicate.
mircea_popescu: but this is a mega project.
decimation: like the nazis did, more-or-less
decimation: it's probably more realistic to launch small chemical rockets factory-style
asciilifeform: i can think of 1,001 'substantial'
mircea_popescu: but the rail gun is more substantial than most shit getting funded.
asciilifeform: at any rate, actually building it would run contrary to the spirit of the scam
mircea_popescu: basically the same hardware involved.
mircea_popescu: the rail gun is the necessary next step after the cern
decimation: for one thing you would need a massive capacitor bank
gribble: Common Rail Hochdruckpumpe Animation - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbbYsVDD0PI>; V-3 cannon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-3_cannon>; Fortress of Mimoyecques - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortress_of_Mimoyecques>
mircea_popescu: just think you're making a bridge
decimation: the 'why not' is the massive acceleration you have to give with reasonable sized guns
asciilifeform: not impossible to build hardware that eats 500g
mircea_popescu: not free of course. but cheaper than steam
asciilifeform: i predict that eventually they will justify it with talk of 'railguns'
decimation: yeah the oneweb thing is about an order of magnitude bigger at trying to do something that has failed every time it has been tried
asciilifeform: which is why i said, these folks are trying to push scam to a kind of logical conclusion
assbot: NASA - Star Trackers Lights the Way ... ( http://bit.ly/1BBWn9l )
decimation: how? star tracker: http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/podcasting/StarTrackers.html
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ~all~ satellite business reduces to that kind of contract
decimation: asciilifeform: aye, that's why you also need to align
mircea_popescu: anyway, nioce contract to have. basically, it's a "build this many launchers and fire them continuously forever"
decimation: but this isn't a simple matter either, obviously
decimation: no they have magnets to orient themselves with earth's magnetic field
mircea_popescu: otherwise this smacks of insanity.
mircea_popescu: just give them a little assymetry allow them some limited self-righting
asciilifeform: not the last time i saw this.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i would suspect they'd have a minimal sail or something
asciilifeform: whole point of the 'microsats'
asciilifeform: (at least, last i saw this scam)
asciilifeform: no thrusters.
decimation: and each satellite needs to maintain its orbit, etc
mircea_popescu: nice contract to have.