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jurov: much better
that
turd.patch
jurov: how should we (and,
the poor system for
tracking
the signatures), keep
them?
ascii_field: the hash in
the name is useless, because no one signs it
jurov: yes, you prefer
to name everythign "turd", i know
ascii_field: if i wanted garbage in
the name, would put it
there myself.
jurov: part is
that everyone seems
to hate mailman renaming
them
to include
the ID
trinque: clearly he was a part of
the shadowy cabal himself
ascii_field: (or wishes us
to
think
that he did not!!111)
trinque: can't find
the actual quote; something about wanting
to believe
that
there's some conspiracy in charge of
the world because it's more comfortable
than
the reality
trinque: reminds me of feynman's
thing about "nobody's at
the wheel" or something like
that
ascii_field: about items which 'fit in head',
there can - on rare occasion - be reasoning.
trinque: I'm not qualified
to say, but it does look like yet another vast C monstrosity from
the outside
ascii_field: because when you can't physically connect arbitrary flipflops in
the machine
to
the screen, you're - blind.
ascii_field: (it being, having been written by
the blind.)
ascii_field: on an entirely other level,
the kernel is also garbage
trinque: anyone who has ever written an administration panel for a web
thing has wasted his life
trinque: everything remotely like
this is either garbage worse
than excel or some shitty pile of JS (because
that's what I want
to do, edit my db over
http) trinque: so I can stop writing
the same derpy app a
thousand
times
trinque: maybe click a foreign key and get
the row it points
to
trinque: all I want it
to do is display some stuff from postgresql and let me edit data with reasonable performance
ascii_field: problem with clim is
that is does not actually work (with usable response
time and reliability) on any extant system
ascii_field: to
this day, afaik, i'm
the only one who ever wanted
this.
trinque: or do you just mean dynamically in
the code?
trinque: it all sees
the user as a derp
that would never do such a
thing
ascii_field: afaik,
TO
THIS FUCKING DAY not a SINGLE GUI
TOOLKIT will let you do
that.
ascii_field: i.e. i wanted
to bake a 'text edit' widget with clickable hyperlinks ~active during editing~
ascii_field: and at any rate, i barfed as soon as i discovered
that you can't meaningfully compose qt widgets without diving back into
the cpp shit pit
trinque: commonqt ran fine; just
that as I perceive it, utterly non-lispy
ascii_field: ^ i slaved
to
try and get
that
thing
to run as a student
ascii_field: yes, no way
to glue qt in any rational way
trinque: just ends up
that I wrote c++ in lisp
ascii_field: i actually had problems with serial ports when i did
the robot
thing
trinque: what I was
trying
to get at about
tape
trinque: and
that's what corrupts
the intermediate-step approach, it seems?
ascii_field: (yes, works. but now you have 'guts' in
the works, and breakage paths
that don't cleanly break into lisp)
trinque: seems reasonable enought
to resolve for
the near
term
to just run sbcl apps on linux
ascii_field: i spent
the last 5 or so years looking for an intermediate point between here and ic fab
trinque: you end up getting lost
taping
the underlying
thing
to
the interface forever
trinque: yeah I begin
to see why
there's no real intermediate step here.
ascii_field: because
the absolute worst
thing
that can happen is
that
this kind of monster ~walks~
trinque: I
tried
to build his, couldn't
ascii_field: gabriel_laddel had something in
this spirit; i barfed
trinque: "pay no attention
to
the linux behind
the curtain"
trinque: denying
the underlying system like systemd does
ascii_field: rather
than electrical connection in programmable grid
trinque: we were sort of bolting postgresql
to linux via foreign data wrappers like morons
ascii_field: where cpu had
to 'hand carry in a basket' from point a
to b
ascii_field: i'll note
that lispmachine did not go far enough
trinque: I can see
that did not go nearly far enough.
trinque: when I found
time for
this :)
mircea_popescu: i was kinda curious when his "Everything is sql" was going
to reduce.
trinque: everything expressed as
the same kind of data structures
ascii_field: as in, want
to put disk controller registers on
the screen? go, do
trinque: ascii_field: I can as a novice see
the foothills at least
trinque shudders
to recall how
the same
thing looks elsewhere
ascii_field: trinque: now imagine if no part of
the machine were exempt.
mod6: <+ascii_field> in other news,
the 5 repaired rng units pass. << nice!
trinque: I'm on ch3 and I can already bind data
to usable UI, selectively update
the display, so on
ascii_field: at 'respectable' uni
they make a show of not
teaching as much of ^this as
they could 'because
this isn't
trade school after all'
ascii_field: or have you contribute
to 'ethereum' for course credit
ascii_field: trinque: lisp (and i specifically refer
to
the accumulated advancements which add up
to commonlisp world, rather
than
the barf of
that field's equivalent of 'glbse' - e.g., 'clojure', 'newlisp', other halfwit retardations) handily obsoletes most of what passes for 'problems in computer science' as
taught
trinque: rather
than being replaced with a bunch of consumer friendly skeuomorphic shitware
trinque: seems like an alternate history where
the
terminal concept developed further
trinque: the clarity of purpose, simplicity, sheer elegance of
this
thing
trumps every other environment I've built
things in
trinque: I'm not at all impressed with
the fact
that when I asked for an education in CS, I was not presented with
this.
☟︎ trinque decided
to work
through
the mcclim
tutorial
today
mircea_popescu: anyway
this looks like it's going
to be an epic b-a summer. phuctor delivered, eulora came, nodes are moving, apparently cardano as well,
☟︎ ascii_field: 'doxygen' doesn't appear
to do
the handy 'click
this and see ~EVERYWHERE~ it appears' symbol concordance
ascii_field: jurov: actually we really still need btc.yt
thing
ascii_field: (the vendor's explanation for why
they failed was dpasted here a while ago, but will be reprinted in
this month's broadcast.)
ascii_field: in other news,
the 5 repaired rng units pass.
trinque: ascii_field: read
that as firefox at first,
thought it was a hell of a pivot for mozilla, lol
ascii_field: l0l re:
the rebranding of a very ordinary plumber's borescope sold pretty much everywhere
mod6: I wanna link
these on
the main page website.
ascii_field: ~40% of
the 'mass' in
therealbitcoin is in headers...
mircea_popescu: "As is
typical of a C++ program, a lot of code
tends
to end up in
the header files
ascii_field: rezun has a very spiffy nearly book-length description of
the ru version
mats: looks like good
training
too
assbot: ISIS forces boys
to wrestle as
they
train
to become next generation of killers | Daily Mail Online ... (
http://bit.ly/1LL3YCN )