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mircea_popescu: "Nobody must use them except for very few exceptions and for those larger code size is ok."
mircea_popescu: " nobody used the code for real " ; "I personally don't care at all how big static binaries are."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform gets a confirmed kill https://sourceware.org/ml/libc-hacker/1999-08/msg00050.html drepper's the enemy.
mircea_popescu: only thing they do with CP is CI anyway.
mircea_popescu: in other news, i propose a petition to have the "Child Porn" utility removed from linux. why is not MauVe enough ?
decimation: I wonder how long it will be until 'BLM special agents' start claiming sovereignty over their lands
mircea_popescu: "self reliance" = "we fuck in the dirt"
mircea_popescu: them silly kids will not really shoot for burning man, of course, but they'd be REALLY really sad in their corner if it went away.
mircea_popescu: imagine the tensions.
mircea_popescu: your average adolescent male does not own a shirt. the female he'd be interested in dreams about waiting for "the right saudi prince".
mircea_popescu: * asciilifeform has never been to 'burning man' thing and never really grasped the appeal << pretty much the ONLY remaining spot on the west coast to meet slovenly females that are undemanding.
mircea_popescu: 'BLM Special Agent" ? what the fuck ? everyone in the us got their power rangers now ?
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> and it still runs in 'bursts.' << this is a very strange behaviour. what's 193k, like 3-5% ?
ben_vulpes is still curious about the block-vomiting process, and how bastards make it in
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asciilifeform: i have the thing scrolling on own display
ben_vulpes: ah have ye tested that yet?
asciilifeform: on account of there being no intelligence whatsoever in the sync code
asciilifeform: 'few bastards' is not a criterion while we're using the classical sync mechanism;
ben_vulpes: and if thbox serves at a high bandwidth few bastards and blocks that all verify, why not prefer it over others?
asciilifeform: and it is slow because philipinos have to crap out the diddled blocks by hand ☟︎
asciilifeform: right now, as i said, no one has any idea who he is talking to
asciilifeform: that will only make sense once the pipe itself is authenticable ☟︎
asciilifeform: as far as i can tell, there is no intelligence in it beyond the misbehave... crap
ben_vulpes: dun think the thing has a formal name yet. but that which is responsible for grading peers while syncing. ☟︎☟︎
ben_vulpes: (or is that another "jam tomorrow"?)
ben_vulpes: behavior tracker has my attention at the moment.
asciilifeform: i'm still hoping that i overlooked something, and that it can be disabled via civilized means
asciilifeform: see the drepper link earlier today
asciilifeform: but would rather not come to this
asciilifeform: if i have to write an elf diddler to yank it out of the binary, i will
ben_vulpes: i'm not actually entirely certain where the gconv stuff is coming in
asciilifeform: so far, all i learned is that it can - supposedly - be disabled during glibc build config. but this is not what i want
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if you wanna perform a heroid deed, find out how to nuke gconv
ben_vulpes: the thing at this point lies spread apart on my vivisection table
asciilifeform: which is why i said 'we need mechanism...' rather than 'hey mircea_popescu, hash those db turds and send me back via pgp wontcha'
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: you know full well that it won't
asciilifeform: can reuse the 'checkpoint' code for this ☟︎
ben_vulpes: i would actually be *surprised* if you did produce the same disk bytes via a network cslurping
asciilifeform: hence why we need a mechanism to actually checksum the blocks and dump it to a man-readable form
ben_vulpes: there's no guarantee that you'll produce the same blockchain on disk, though.
ben_vulpes: how could one tell? ordering of blocks?
asciilifeform is not ~at all~ certain that he is actually pulling from mircea_popescu's box, rather than a preet's
asciilifeform is coming to think that we will be needing a mechanism for out-of-band (hashes, pgp) comparison of blockchains
asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo in your gardening, have you ever used a 19th c.-style muscle-powered grass cutter? i did today, and noticed that it is actually less exhausting than petrol-powered variety on account of my not breathing CO from tailpipe
kakobrekla: seems quite honest to me
kakobrekla: Human: What do you like to talk about?
asciilifeform: sentence doesn't need an object, why'd ya want that, aha
asciilifeform loves the open-ended 'failed' used in the english language
asciilifeform: '...The exchange sheds further light on the latest work carried out by large technology firms in the field of artificial intelligence, a booming field...' << apparently today is still 1966, weizenbaum's 'eliza' is 'latest work'
chetty: is it just me or does that machine sound a bit like mp?
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asciilifeform: the thing that boggles my mind is that rms ~must~ have known about the fifth column
asciilifeform: that thing is a ready, lubricated orifice for slithering vermin
assbot: Logged on 28-06-2015 05:26:58; mircea_popescu: also, kernel is a good idea maybe for pogo. not for a proper server. you want people to add it to all their noncritical dedis.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180185 << my build cannot be considered battlefield-ready in this sense until the gconv thing is burned out with hot irons ☝︎
asciilifeform: linux ecosystem was drepperized so long ago that scarcely anyone remembers.
asciilifeform: go and strace the thing and yes, it snarfs up this perfectly-irrelevant turd from disk
asciilifeform: it ~has~ to go
asciilifeform: (re: the gconv thing. i've been bashing my head against the conundrum of how to tear out that idiocy from my static build)
asciilifeform: in particular, 'in a sense, Windows is a result of the way C++ builds environments, like Unix is a result of how C does it.'
assbot: Logged on 28-06-2015 14:23:29; decimation: the methods themselves being C++ template methods
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180335 << pretty much what naggum said: the language and its ecosystem encourages this kind of mental decay - and selects for the susceptible in the first place ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/serialize.h#0074 << cpp programmers in particular have no notion of hygiene. and the more experienced, the less of a notion they have, as a rule
asciilifeform: they have better pyrotechnics too.
asciilifeform: if i wanted to sit in the sun and dig latrines i could do it for free in .mil
asciilifeform has never been to 'burning man' thing and never really grasped the appeal
asciilifeform: 'BLM Special Agent Dan Love of Salt Lake City was cited multiple times as the person behind many of the BLM requests, according to the emails. Love will have a personal bathroom trailer to be shared with only one other official, according to documents. Love also led the BLM operation against Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy that ended in a standoff with Bundy's armed supporters. He did not return requests for comment this week.'
asciilifeform: traceroute looks same today as last night.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu sync from your node (or from hitler's mitm node...!) is at 193600+ and counting
mats: i was also watching the stream
decimation: the methods themselves being C++ template methods ☟︎
decimation: ben_vulpes: to be clear, IMPLEMENT_SERIALIZE is a C preprocessor macro that is composed of other C preprocessor macros (READWRITE) that ends up dangling all the serialize/deserialize methods onto classes of his choosing
decimation: mixing C preprocessor and C++ templates would only occur to someone who had programed much C spagetti code in his life
cazalla: got in eventually, just took 5-10m to log into wp-admin for some reason
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180271 << hos gotta knows where to flock. ☝︎
cazalla: somewhat similar to that if you dropped a few stars from the ussa flag, you'd still think it was the ussa flag
punkman: jurov, in their defence, it looks like one
jurov: lol they see isis everywhere
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assbot: Logged on 25-06-2015 17:21:41; mircea_popescu: "fata care cere palme" < face that demands slapping
cazalla: could only get better if they storm his house and arrest him for an ISIS cake
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cazalla: punkman, we don't need no water let the mother fucker burn..
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trinque: and love whatever attention that brings too
trinque: I have sometimes been so worried about what huffing isopropyl alcohol did to me that I have even faked symptoms so that I could go to the doctor repeatedly and get all kinds of check-ups. << I gotta wonder if these people aren't just addicted to the notion that they're doing something crazy and bad.
trinque: I'm sure in this case he means it.
trinque: I've heard that one re: cocaine too
trinque: "I did it because i like the smell." << bahaha
mats: that occurred to me as well
punkman: mats, lol. he's in netherlands, has money, and can't find better drugs than denatured alcohol?
decimation: any class that serializes implements this macro
ben_vulpes: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#1424 << processblock, third line of which calls pblock->GetHash()
ben_vulpes: decimation: i'm struggling to understand how http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#2193 results in a data structure that ProcessBlock can understand
decimation: honestly I usually end up reading C++ reference books and mumbling to myself
decimation: can you tell me what line you are trying to understand? where the cblock is?
ben_vulpes: is that `CBlock block` a contiguous-ish memory section?