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gernika: Will do. Need
to sign up for
the mailing list.
ben_vulpes: so's
this phr0k
the nail in 20mb blocks' coffin?
cazalla: punkman, killed em off a while ago, might
take em up again once i own a larger block of land
punkman: shade's good for
the bunnies
too, such synergy
punkman: used
to have one of
these on 2nd floor roof, vine roots at ground floor
cazalla: punkman,
that's lovely, just wish i had
the room :\
cazalla: punkman, no pergola but we have a clothesline i could commandeer but doubt
the missus would like
that heh
assbot: Logged on 04-07-2015 22:03:31; mircea_popescu: 3. in order
to avoid
the situation
that happened
tonight, a supposed "voting" mechanism was deployed where people switched an irrelevant byte in
the blocks
they mined,
to go from 2
to 3,
to indicate
they are ready and willing
to follow
the new rules.
punkman: cazalla, you can grow a
tall vine and have it hang from a pergola
type
thing
cazalla: thinking about making some
tomato wine
this coming summer but from what i've read, it isn't
that nice
cazalla: might've been
the uv damage
that killed em, i don't really know other
than summer 2013 provide no
tomatos
mircea_popescu: a gallon of water makes half hour's mist, protects
the plant if
there's any air draft at all
cazalla: mircea_popescu, nope, good water in
the evening and morning but
the 4-5 days of 40-44 degree heat
toppled em
punkman: cazalla: I fucked
the up with
too much sunlight many
times.
assbot: Logged on 04-07-2015 22:58:41; punkman: I
tried heirloom
tomatos for a bit. I now know why everyone's using
the same boring/bland strain.
punkman: yeah but after reorg it
throws
the
things away right? you'd have
to shitblock at just
the right
time
mircea_popescu: almost as if someone was holding off hitting
the muppets over
the head with a 2x4 until b-a crowd had its ducks lined
mircea_popescu: which, in
terms of parachutes.. .you gotta admit... perfect
timing
mircea_popescu: this is exactly
the sortt of situation
the entire deterministic
thing he was crowing about is meant for.
punkman: we need something
that stores
these forks for inspection and replaying. I
think ben_vulpes had a
thread about
that
mircea_popescu: superficially it seemed reorg blocks like it did in 2013, but maybe deeper
than
that. have not yet gone
too deep into
mod6: danielpbarron: great!
thanks
mircea_popescu: i still dunno why
they do it. i've not yet managed
to unstick a stuck one from last night
mod6: mp, you're right, should
test
the new dump/eat
tools with
the orphan blocks
mircea_popescu: just some nodes have
trouble unsticking, which as i said above, great place
to
test our new block manip
tools etc.
hanbot: you don't understand
the way
the windowmato works.
mod6: <+danielpbarron> height=363856 << your v0.5.3.1ish node has
this height?
hanbot: oh yeah,
those windowtomatoes were great.
danielpbarron: (previously forwarded all ports
to one DMZ machine)
mircea_popescu: punkman meanwhile hanbot used
to grow cherry
tomatoes on her windowsill.
punkman: I
tried heirloom
tomatos for a bit. I now know why everyone's using
the same boring/bland strain.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: danielpbarron are yuou up
to date ? what's lastblock ?
mircea_popescu: yeah, if you agree
to make unedible crud you may have better control.
punkman: maybe
they got better corn science over in
the US, dunno.
punkman: for a short
time I believed in
the mythical farmer
that actually knows what he's doing. But after watching
the experts debug
these
things, my only conclusion is
they sometimes get lucky and
that's
the best I could hope for.
mircea_popescu: the
town was fully of blooming magnolias and i never saw a single artichoke plant outside of my garden
mircea_popescu: punkman i had problems with, "artichoke does so well here, it actually STAYED GREEN
THROUGH WINTER, suppoirting an inch of snow on its upturned broad leaves. meanwhile, magnolia sapplings grow < 1inch per year and will never flower"
punkman: I get very frustrated at
things like "o hey we've sprayed 12 different solutions at it and
the damn lemon
tree still has fungus"
mircea_popescu is mildly impressed at alf's lineage in any case. my grandparents were
teachers and whatnot, but great-grandparents deifnitely farmers.
mircea_popescu: <punkman> wait until you
try
to debug plants << he has a point
there.
tho in fairness iirc alf debugged mice at some point.
mircea_popescu: and yes, most men died before seeing
the
thing
they were working for. historically,
to date.
mircea_popescu: there is no reason
to expect any better in
this new field. it is, after all, a field.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just sayin, humanity was built by originally
trudging
the muck with no
tools.
punkman: wait until you
try
to debug plants
punkman: surprised we aren't seeing more of
these
punkman: "Chrome extension "BitcoinWisdom Ads Remover" by MasterX will change your btce deposit address after page is loaded. Do not use
this app or remove it if you installed."
ascii_modem: would really help
to have a fucking reasonable platform for
this
mircea_popescu: fuck you, your grandparents were farmers. it's how
this fucking world works.
mircea_popescu: yea, i get it, may mean
that
this makes your fate be
to muddle in
the dirt, piling up data for your kid, who maybe might do it.
mircea_popescu: until we know exactly wtf
to do about relayers, about miners now,
there is no point.
the prototype's still prototypin'.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: but
this situation is why im so cold on your ada idea. sure, you go put all
the god damned effort into writing a fully correct, fully specified implementation oif an... broken idea.
ascii_modem: one one hand, i don't give a shit, yes. on
the other, a human
turd pressed a button, my nodes are halted, and
there is no guarantee
that
they don't have a bottomless magazine of
these
mircea_popescu: anyway, i don't envisage as much as an inkling of a solution. just more stuff
to worry about.
mircea_popescu: punkman right. hence all
the "We don't give a shit" verbiage here.
ascii_modem: so far
there is no structure remotely enough
to
take up
the weight if
the duct
tape is ripped out
punkman: "A blockchain
that does not validate under 0.5.3 is an altcoin blockchain." << both forks were valid in 0.5.3, right?
mircea_popescu: atm
the split is .999 - .001 or somesuch.
this will change monotoniucall;y
the other way
mircea_popescu: really
the % of income "just known" vs "information acquired" is
the proper measure.
mircea_popescu: hard
to convey what
the changes in dynamic such a
thing brings.
mircea_popescu: if as much as 66% comes
that way and
the other 33% has
to be found out about... o baby.
mircea_popescu: atm 99.x% of income comes
through
this immediate, sent-from-heaven-above channel
mircea_popescu: tomorrow,
they will not KNOW immediately
through act of god where
that 25 btc comes from
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem more specifically put : currently everyone is mining with a "god given" known
tx of 25 btc + whatever
they pick off
the ground.
ascii_modem: the mire scant
the crumbs,
the bloodier
the crumbfight
mircea_popescu: (txn
time = when most miner revenue comes from block
txn)
mircea_popescu: but when
that begins all
this may fucking collapse under
the weight of... if money's
the incentive
to mine mining will not exactly allign with "securing
the network"
mircea_popescu: sure, people don't do it yet. mostly because lazy, 2nd mostly because stupid, 3rd mostly because it's not even
txn
time yet.
mircea_popescu: it pays more as a pool operator
to be into skulldugery
than into running your pool
mircea_popescu: most only apply
to specific implementationms etc, but! fuck me...
mircea_popescu: the process hasn't returned yet,
the list is already hundreds of entries long
mircea_popescu: or else by fucking up other people's miners. i ordered a listing of "all
the ways you could exploit a miner with crafted comms for a hash advantage"
mircea_popescu: specifically : atm
there is an arbitrage open, where you can either make money by "brute forcing" it ie hashing,
mircea_popescu: anyway,
the main sufferance in my head atm is
that reading
the chinese stuff (in
translation) clarifies in my head an objection
that may well be a second major flaw
to
the protocol, after
the "relay nodes gotta do it for
the glory" : its altogether unclear a purely financial incentive is
the correct solution for miners.
☟︎ punkman: in other news, ATMs getting ddos'd even at 1am. rejects
transaction, spits out card, and you gotta start over. perhaps intentional rate-limiting.
ascii_modem: so far i'm not sure any of you apprehend just what a steaming
turd
the
thing is
mircea_popescu: which sort of reorg apparentyly happens, or used
to happen, a whole lot.
mircea_popescu: in which case
they'll prolly change it rather
than start from
the original. unles it's VERY dumb.