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asciilifeform: right now we have the very different problem of how not to drown in own shit.
BingoBoingo: At somepoint though we will have the problem on when to start decelerating the starship lest we crashland into Alpha Centurai
asciilifeform: we, afaik, do not have those problems yet. must still graduate to them.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the fixation on physical clocks, astronomical magic, etc. is unproductive re: the original problem posed.
decimation: actually better link to the book here http://www.celnav.de/page2.htm
decimation: there is a description on how to derive time by measuring the moon's motion relative to other objects in the sky
decimation: here's a reasonable text on celestial navigation http://www2.arnes.si/~gljsentvid10/page2.htm
decimation: not if you are willing to pay $$$
BingoBoingo: Suffers labeling issues though. Hard to tell buy ordering if you get actual part or Chicom turd
assbot: Donate to the OpenBSD Foundation ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hi3NLe )
BingoBoingo is guessing that at some point Rubidium standards are going to become #b-a coture
trinque: brings to mind http://www.davidpbrown.co.uk/jokes/european-commission.html
williamdunne: Sorta like how dyslexic is probably pretty hard to spell if you're dyslexic
funkenstein_: bad spellers of the world: untie!
trinque: only asciilifeform's test takers
trinque: who gives a shit about arbitrary distinctions such as that?
williamdunne: It starts with an F? What's this shit
assbot: Logged on 02-02-2015 23:03:08; mircea_popescu: "I've noticed certain repeating characteristic in the writing of many members of this forum: they construct grammatically correct sentences but absolutely disregard the underlying semantics: incoming vs. outgoing, local vs. remote, source vs. destination, etc. Here in regards to TCP/IP ports, but I observed that in regards to pretty much any technical issue."
ascii_field: see whole thread
assbot: Logged on 02-02-2015 23:04:03; mircea_popescu: it was highlighted by intel about two weeks ago, and we're generally tracing it to philippines "top quality" content farms working for a number of (mostly ct and wash based) pr firms.
ascii_field: funkenstein_: it's in the log
funkenstein_: i've never understood the philippino references i see here
funkenstein_: meanwhile litecoin users enjoying "stress test" popcorn
BingoBoingo: Impact of my relay policy change on the network will be near nil, but policy is policy
ascii_field: rather than philippino meat puppets for-hire
ascii_field: thestringpuller: i'm not even certain that the 'ocean of complaint' consists of real people
shinohai likes how BingoBoingo thinks.
BingoBoingo just switched own nodes to 0.001 min fee for transaction relay
thestringpuller: stop complaining about "waah my transactions is unconfirmed waaaah"
thestringpuller: we get fee market. fuck the people who can't pay for their nice things
thestringpuller: ascii_field: so what's the problem here?
trinque: that the fact of their pulse is by itself something special and important
trinque: cannot think of a more vulgar mentality
trinque: ascii_field: reminds me of mircea_popescu's recent comments to the effect of roughly "We've done it! I exist!"
shinohai: sorry for the flood
shinohai: my tunnel collapsed
ascii_field: when they cannot pay
ascii_field: one telling mark of a tard is that he is unwilling to consider that market's job is not only to supply folks with things, but to REFUSE to supply them ☟︎☟︎
ascii_field: because they can't send their 0.01 btc without fee
ascii_field: for them, 'it broke'
ascii_field: trinque: not if you ask the tards
trinque: stress test seems to prove the system works from where I sit
trinque: right, I said this yesterday
assbot: Logged on 08-07-2015 21:12:24; trinque: it's telling that they are not even willing to consider using, you know, a fucking market for this
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193852 << the fucking market is there. nobody broke it. but to redditards, 'market won't supply me with free shit' == 'market has failed' ☝︎
ascii_field: the other is so that gavin & co. can try to persuade miners to use their turdball ☟︎
ascii_field: as i pointed out before, it is being done for two disjoint reasons. one is so that hearn can write the turd linked above, re: 'it is crowded and we need blocks of $maxint size'
mats: its an ideological matter to hear Luke-Jr tell it
ascii_field: if usg wants to spend its coin this way, it can
trinque: it's telling that they are not even willing to consider using, you know, a fucking market for this ☟︎
ascii_field: as per the protocol rules
ascii_field: but aside from that, bidding up space in blocks by blowing one's own coin is a perfectly legit thing to do
ascii_field: (the tx sent to brainwallet('password') etc)
ascii_field: though gotta wonder if this is still fair to say re: a gigantic sack of shit with the words 'this is spam, and fuck you' printed right on it
trinque: IF IT HAS A FEE ATTACHED AND IS A VALID TXN, IT'S NOT SPAM
trinque: "I suspect it can be mitigated through heavier reliance on coin age priority, as coin age is not something that can be trivially bought on the spot, unlike fee priority."
ascii_field: 'As you may have noticed, Bitcoin unfortunately has run out of capacity due to someone DoS attacking the network.'
ascii_field: as in, the one thing that is guaranteed to grow monotonically
ascii_field: but what you see in that graph is the only 'leak' in the usual sense
ascii_field: now if the node is 'live' and has net connection, hears tx, suffers possible fragging (see old threads) - then even more consumption.
ascii_field: the thing here, as discussed in the past, is that 300 bytes (block header and overhead) are kept in ram at all times per ~known block~
ascii_field: (this was a node, i must remind the reader, with no mempool, on account of having no net connection and being fed blocks 'intravenously' if you will)
shinohai: For some reason mine has dropped, but probably because I'm not connecting to a bzillion nodes
ascii_field: shinohai: most of what i've done re: therealbitcoin so far revolves around getting memory footprint under control
shinohai: I was hoping my pogo would arrive today, but postman has already come. :/
ascii_field: which turned out to be a waste of time
ascii_field: ported netbsd to the thing, too
ascii_field: just asked the question.
shinohai: I am fascinated by how mircea_popescu envisioned that. I tried for well over a year to figure out how to busybox it.
ascii_field: who was pushing a weirdo 'cloud subscription' thing with it
ascii_field: mainly because it is (or rather was) sold far below cost by the manufacturer
ascii_field: the answer turned out to be pogo.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu posed the question of what is the cheapest mass-produced piece of equipment that could be pressed into service to run therealbitcoin.
shinohai: Of your particular dealings. How the idea of using it came about.
ascii_field: shinohai: of the pogo as it comes from the vendor ?
shinohai: Is there a history of the pogo somewhere?
decimation: but I do see your point, if we can make the hardware 'reliable'
ascii_field: just as usg turned their orbital nuke dropper into 'space shuttle'
decimation: su actually built 'manned spy satellites' - became 'civilian peace stations' in the 80's
assbot: Almaz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1RlbOKo )
decimation: yeah, that's true I think. the soviets believed it anyway https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almaz
ascii_field: except when they don't. then, suddenly, much less talk of space stations
ascii_field: see, somebody's gotta change the vacuum tubes
ascii_field: well, afaik the 'precise' is not publicly known. but the ancient rumour that was taught to me was that it was a usg military propaganda trick
ascii_field: decimation: do you know the story of how the concept of 'space station' came about?
decimation wonders if skynet will need an 'economy' or will just directly solve the 'need things/have things' trade matrix
decimation: at any rate, I fully admit that bitcoin requires slaves to feed computers the right data and configure them
ascii_field: the unfortunate thing is that the 'easy to verify, hard to produce' thing very much requires machines.
decimation: (your throat i mean)
shinohai: I should say having one's throat cut invalidates a lot of things.
decimation: why does the fact that your throat can be cut invalidate proof of work?
ben_vulpes: (on the use of "torture" in the nyt)
assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1D1BLmt )
ascii_field: in my mind, that's sorta the whole point of bitcoin.
decimation: yes, true.
ascii_field: at any rate, we don't actually know how to do 'proof of work' thing using meat.
ascii_field: except that the attacks now include having one's throat cut at night, aha
decimation: well, if slave tells you time of day, the class of attacks you describe become much more difficult
ascii_field: as described in mircea_popescu's tale
decimation: yeah, slave tells you time of day