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BingoBoingo: shinohai: If you must link to reddit no np.reddit links, for they are a trap to preserve their platform
jurov: so far only china managed that with any degree of success
assbot: Logged on 09-07-2015 01:59:04; asciilifeform: and this kind of dull, mechanistic diddlage is precisely what usg specializes in
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1194359 so there should be plenty examples of usg diddling a traffic on the backbone, could you please post one? ☝︎☟︎☟︎
shinohai: https://np.reddit.com/user/Bitcoin_SS <<< rofl this is the funniest shit evah
decimation: he decides to be a hobo for fun I guess
assbot: Brave Dave's Canadian Catch Out - Freight Train Hopping In Canada - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MgHJF2 )
decimation: I'm watching a youtube of some uk guy who decided to hop freight trains in canada
funkenstein_: could also be who i was rolling with at the time
funkenstein_: read my mind; i was just going to ask about when will squat culture arise
BingoBoingo: Anecdotally Urban US squats safer than rural US squats
funkenstein_ recalls being woken "can't sleep here" on various travels
BingoBoingo: funkenstein_: Nah, they don't want hippies, chase away merely warm bodies
funkenstein_: sheriff shows up sometime after you put something valuable there
BingoBoingo: WHich is problem. Even if you shoot sheriff, there exists deputy
decimation: BingoBoingo: there's plenty of 'wasteland' out west
BingoBoingo: Especially the last point because sheriff usually enforces abadon remaining verboten
BingoBoingo: <decimation> those 50 acres are either owned by monsanto or abandoned today << Please point me to 50 US acres that are truly abadon. No "owner" no renter, no Sheriff.
BingoBoingo: Fuck, in Gladiator (2000) there are plain tire tracks on the cravel roads
Vexual: so if we have sealevel sattelites that don't move...
assbot: Logged on 09-07-2015 03:21:46; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1194169 << i didn't misunderstand it. i simply do not credit it at all, just like i don't credit that an object could be arbitrarily pink but shapeless.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1194583 << would like to see this expanded if mircea_popescu has time. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: well... keynesian logic. if consumption drives production then clearly the economy's never been ion a better shape
asciilifeform: famously attributed to stalin circa '37
mircea_popescu: actually this could be a film.
mircea_popescu: "that's not the plumber in your mother's bedroom"
decimation: "we are the ones we have been waiting for"
asciilifeform: 'no there isn't'
mircea_popescu: who the fuck even comes up with this shit. "there's future left"
mircea_popescu: one of the lulziest electroal slogans here (in the line of "podremos vivir mejor", of course) was... "hay mas futuro"
decimation: those 50 acres are either owned by monsanto or abandoned today
mircea_popescu: 50 acres and a mule, if you swear to never go to town
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes. like the us did it back when it mattered.
decimation: I think "absolutely trivial" is a bit of an overstatement
mircea_popescu: give it to the people going deeply inside.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck do these schmucks need as much as a cigarette butt ?
asciilifeform: where else? in pampas, to the pampas cats?
mircea_popescu: borrows in europe, distributes loot to people in capital
asciilifeform: at any rate, down in the log, i point out that it would be absolutely trivial to serve diddled ntp solely to known btc nodess.
assbot: Logged on 09-07-2015 02:13:37; asciilifeform: the coasts are where usg hands out payola.
asciilifeform: quite often 'creditcard machine ain't working today. but we dusted off this carbon paper and press...'
asciilifeform: btw this is not uncommon where i live
mircea_popescu: yes the shop fails every other day.
asciilifeform: all of it is reparable because it customarily breaks every morning six times before breakfast
decimation: what do trains, planes rely on?
mircea_popescu: decimation: what usg agency would perform this work domestically? asciilifeform:at&t. << top kek
decimation: and that's the unimportant shit
asciilifeform: i'll bite. what else will perma-wedge if usg clock moves 2h into the past for a day ?
assbot: Logged on 09-07-2015 01:40:33; asciilifeform: this is realistic, because nothing but pogo will seriously fail if this were done
asciilifeform: at some point i ~will~ locate the pieces to make something like pogo en masse
mircea_popescu: but the idea throughout, at least in my head, was to have something to give new bloods
mircea_popescu: well, an item has the advantage that it can be used as it can be used, rather than as can be intended.
mircea_popescu: this is a $100 dollar gift, why make it to idiots.
mircea_popescu: we will never have enough of these to simply throw away either
asciilifeform: umm let's ~not~ tunnel through microshit ??
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as i said, this wasn't to my mind related to the p2p relay thing
assbot: rfc5766-turn-server - High-performance free open source TURN and STUN Server implementation. VoIP media traffic NAT traversal and gateway. TURN client library included. - Google Project Hosting ... ( http://bit.ly/1CqdsDz )
BingoBoingo: By argument via Hollywood /me has no idea how Romans beat Spartans to conquer Greece
asciilifeform: lol, fat lot of good that does.
decimation: but they might only tunnel udp
decimation: you might be able to hijack "STUN" servers meant for sip
asciilifeform: solely on account of this
asciilifeform: i suspect that perhaps 1 in 5 pogos will actually run
decimation: other than as an orifice
decimation: yeah that's a major sticking point
asciilifeform: gotta have that external 8333
decimation: better yet, build one in the shape of a power strip (with wifi) and install in local starbucks
asciilifeform: is that you can stuff it in broom closet, camouflage with old bum rags, get on motorcycle and never see the place again.
decimation: or alternatively "Step one: after booting, ensure the pogo has acquired accurate time"
decimation: "Step one: configure an accurate ntp server. if you don't know how to check the time, ask your parents"
mircea_popescu: "so you'd like to learn more about bitcoin ? here's a pogo and here's a webpage, make it work"
BingoBoingo watches "Gladiator(2000)" for the first time. Damn the Nordic system sucks.
decimation: if we were to ditch leap seconds, I would need to know the 'current delta' to predict cesium from sunrises and vice versa
mircea_popescu: the idea was to make use of net jacks in people's houses
asciilifeform: i must confess that i'm not 100% clear on the primary mission. but did have the distinct impression that it involves making use of net jacks that don't have literate and attentive humans attached to them
decimation: yet, I can use cesium to predict sunrises and use sunrises to predict cesium
funkenstein_: decimation, you miss the long cycle, but thanks for the distinction between leap second and leap year
assbot: Logged on 09-07-2015 01:34:14; asciilifeform: not from under the bed of the gurlz mircea_popescu picks up and pogopregnates
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1194235 << i really don't think that's the primary mission for it ☝︎
decimation: it's not to me
asciilifeform: is this such a difficult concept ?
BingoBoingo: <decimation> the only reason leap seconds are even a thing is because clocks have become more precise than the sun << No, it is because Sun and Cesium disagree
decimation: there are three important periodic behaviours. the orbit of the earth about the sun, (lesser - moon about the earth), the rotation of the earth about its axis, and the vibration of cesium atoms. leap seconds syncronise earth's rotation with cesium. calendar synchronizes earth's rotation with its orbit
mircea_popescu: no, the thing they spent a trillion to build missiles and subs
assbot: Handling Leap Seconds the OpenBSD Way ... ( http://bit.ly/1D2iq4n )
BingoBoingo notes that in most client software not handling leap seconds seems safe http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20150628132834
asciilifeform: i described the 'death ray balance' envisioned by tesla.
asciilifeform: we haven't invented the mechanism !
funkenstein_: yeah. the mayans had a better system
mircea_popescu: again, the possibility is here more important than the actuality.
asciilifeform: how are they to agree ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if bitcoin nodes agree to any different time, it's rejected.
assbot: Logged on 09-07-2015 03:18:58; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1194158 << bitcoin actually has enough power structure to enforce a uniform rejection of usg leap second.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1194577 << if mircea_popescu has figured out how to 'reject usg time', i'm all ears. ☝︎
funkenstein_: decimation, not really.. the adjustments are to sync the cycles together
mircea_popescu: "do what we tell you - it's a useful habit for later"
decimation: okay, if it's political influence, what's the policy?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> ... << the going rate in that market is a few hundred. << I read the original message as hope for a winning "ticket"
assbot: Logged on 09-07-2015 03:17:08; mod6: asciilifeform: what did you do to bypass this, i thought i read you reconnected with -addnode or did you just /wait/ for a long period?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1194574 << moved the clock. hence the clock thread. ☝︎