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mircea_popescu: not impossible, nor long of this world.
mircea_popescu: they're not so stupid, and the measure of their superior intelligence is to be found in the joyous cries of the noble roman's girlfriend.
mircea_popescu: 't woprry honey, they're stupid"
mircea_popescu: that's what late empire matrons tell their effette offspring that just lost at the races to the hearty barbarians : "don
funkenstein_: the point at which Americas so teemed began in 1600 or so
mircea_popescu: it is drastically unwise to imagine a certificate of intelligence as a sort of consolation prize.
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ << that's basically the ideology of butthurt.
asciilifeform: back to the miners, i say that if money were the handy iq test mircea_popescu suggests it is, this kind of situation would be quite impossible.
mircea_popescu: iirc the vikings did a little recuntissance
mircea_popescu: for... hm. for EVER AND EVER THIS TIME!!11
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and at some point, america teemed with fucktarded savages and nobody came to kill the males and rape the females.
mircea_popescu: actually more floor space = better for a short interval at the place they're now.
asciilifeform: so what i'm saying is, pluto is sitting there, made of priceless unobtainium, and schmucks are schmucking around
mircea_popescu: they don't understand that if you sell for yourself, and not to put in a desktop, you have diff engineering constraints
mircea_popescu: the packing thing is a result of the consumer electronics market
asciilifeform: and it isn't like ten dies would take up unpalatable floor space
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they're just going through the motions. they don't really know what they're doing, nobodyu sat dowqn and thought things through.
asciilifeform: creates the heat nightmare
asciilifeform: why the fuck does 'as much has as possible' have to be packed in one die ?
asciilifeform: i'll name just one (because i am not in the business of handing out free advice to derpatronicists) -
mircea_popescu: o, wait, that schmucky chick. what was it, chamber of buttsex ?
asciilifeform: there is a whole array of strange things that miner builders do, which puzzle me greatly
mircea_popescu: shitty thing to build a life of.
asciilifeform: (that the hidden boojum would not stay hidden, is a no-brainer. idea would be to exploit the first-mover advantage, naturally)
mircea_popescu: i am not unaware of this possibility, yet i apparently discounted it, preferring a divergent approach. maybe i'm just that dumb.
mircea_popescu: hard to explain, but i will give the anecdotic.
asciilifeform: what's the logic here?
asciilifeform: think of what just one backroom cocksucking deal with a major microcontroller maker to include hidden miner would have been worth.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes. chief among them, a poor handling of cooperation.
mircea_popescu: it isn't the worst play, but hard to get the notion through.
mircea_popescu: people have this fixed idea that getting others involved is the worst play.
asciilifeform: but that 0.2% is made of a long list of bad decisions
asciilifeform: partly this is on account of the derpitude of keeping them all in a warehouse, rather than having chumps pay for power
mircea_popescu: of course, sold != deployed, but the error isn't great.
asciilifeform: partly this is on account of using 'hardcopy fpga'
mircea_popescu: do the math, sometime. a miner earns 0.2% or some shit.
asciilifeform: (afaik, there are still no true asics!)
asciilifeform: this is logical, but for some reason this scenario did not play out re: bitcoin asics
mircea_popescu: so no, we currently do not wish to, is all.
mircea_popescu: and if it were the case the commercial value of piece of pluto ten times exceeded the commercial cost of sending miner ?
asciilifeform: not impossible, but not strictly a matter of 'wanting to' either
mircea_popescu: nobody ever thinks of ceres.
mircea_popescu: but if it does exist, then yes, it will necessarily be found eventually.
asciilifeform: it is possible that it does not exist
asciilifeform: in that it is sitting 'there' to be dug up
asciilifeform: proof of twin-primes conjecture is also 'approachable' by this token
mircea_popescu: or whatever, your hero also bleeds, there's a lengthy cultural history of this idealisation problem.
mircea_popescu: this is traditonally pointed out to the shy young male as "you know, even the lady of your heart farts"
mircea_popescu: i am merely pointing out that if both things you discuss exist, then both necessarily, by definition of existence, are approachable.
mircea_popescu: i am doing no such thing.
asciilifeform: which is the item mircea_popescu is describing as not existing? and which - not ?
mircea_popescu: everything that is, is. which has some effects.
mircea_popescu: the curse of existence is that it is approachable. just like a tool has its uses, irrespective of a maker's intention.
mircea_popescu: inasmuch as they both exist, they both exist. inasmuch as the one you're good at doesn't exist, you're basically wanking.
mircea_popescu: "oh it can be the case i can lift rocks but not railroad metal"
asciilifeform: well that'd be a kind of perverse but technically correct definition of 'will'
mircea_popescu: only if one WANTS TO
mircea_popescu: and that score is how much money they have.
asciilifeform: whereas i contend that it is possible to be 'napoleon' with theorems and 'spineless piece of shit' with girlz
mircea_popescu: there is an ennumerable list of people by their intelligence. this usually reduces to sorting them by score
mircea_popescu: i dun think i do.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my contention was that you describe will as a spectrum, perhaps between 'spineless clerk' and 'napoleon'
funkenstein_: there is a special space in the hilbert space of stupidity for those who think intelligence can be well described with a scalar
mircea_popescu: how come they're now divisible with 2.
mircea_popescu: in any case, weren't you bravely accusing ME of viewing things as scalars ?
asciilifeform: other thing is that the meat brain is not a von neumann machine, and has specific circuits for certain problems. it is possible to walk around with those damaged and others - functional
mircea_popescu: problem is they're dumb as rocks, is all.
mircea_popescu: and yes, redditards are not necessarily unintelligent in the sense of derp.
mircea_popescu: for this is the definition of intellectual faculty : the driver.
mircea_popescu: if one is purportedly intelligent, how is it then that his brain does not work intelligently ?
mircea_popescu: but that's not where the problem lies. the problem lies at the spot where you propose there exists an "intelligence" that nevertheless does not have control of the processor.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: well, the impression i get is that you think 'will' is a scalar
mircea_popescu: o incidentally. that article ^ prolly interests you
mircea_popescu: me ? you're the one to fire. you proposed pink shapeless.
scoopbot_revived: Eulora News Bulletin of today. http://trilema.com/2015/eulora-news-bulletin-of-today/
decimation back to mines
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you ready for the will/intelligence discussion ?
decimation: for other applications moving the clock around might make them sad
decimation: in the case of bitcoind that would work
asciilifeform: why the ceremonies.
asciilifeform: decimation: i'd have bitcoind snarf time straight from the rtc chip
decimation: but you could periodically bang the clock
decimation: well, the advantage that ntp brings is the long-term PLL that gently corrects
asciilifeform: why the fuck not ?
asciilifeform: decimation: and can't do this without a proggy that opens sockets ?
decimation: likely the rtc has a more stable clock than the 2ghz clock that runs your cpu
mircea_popescu: he just wants things to do shit!
decimation: to discipline the kernel timebase
mircea_popescu: he doesn't want to set anything
asciilifeform: decimation: what good does that do ?
mircea_popescu: i don't expect technologee changed these much since the 90s
decimation: asciilifeform: you can configure ntp to ignore the network and use RTC
mircea_popescu: maybe on the better ones
asciilifeform: l0l i think ~it~ is on my mobo
asciilifeform: probably better than most pc mobos
decimation: unfortunately the really cheap ($1) rtcs available do not come with specs, it would be interesting to know what they are
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's still a very good clock by the looks of it.
asciilifeform: decimation: the thing you linked to costs more than pogo...
decimation: but as you can see it isn't cheap, the chip is about $9 in single quantity and about $4 in units of 1000
asciilifeform: i have a 15 yr-old one that's still going