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decimation: Luke-Jr: you see how
this has
the convinent side-effect of ceding complete authority over 'bitcoin'
to
the 'bitcoin core' committers?
Luke-Jr: decimation:
this is why Bitcoin Core 0.8.0's bug was a bug in 0.8.0 and not
the (commonly used) older versions
trinque: and
then letting
that component know when
the data in question changes
trinque: gabriel_laddel: every web-app ever is just a matter of bolting some
table or view
to a ui component
Luke-Jr: decimation: Bitcoin's rules by nature are defined by
the actual software people are using. If a "spec" disagrees with
those de facto rules,
the "spec" is wrong.
trinque: I've written
this in python already
trinque: gabriel_laddel:
that is precisely what I'm doing
gabriel_laddel: I wish someone would automate
this already. I write
the functions,
then pass
them into `export-functions' which walks
the program, generates POST routes for all of
them.
decimation: I mean a spec
that desribes
the behaviour of
the entire codebase
gabriel_laddel: so you have a few function calls
that diddle
the db and you're
tying
those
to routes?
decimation: Luke-Jr:
this whole line of action strikes me as backwards. why not produce a spec before forcing changes from
the de-facto standard?
trinque: but
that's
the
thing I'm rewriting... "pgtoot"
trinque: haven't used
the latter with anything mission critical; it was a matter of evaluating it
trinque: this will be
the first server side component
trinque: got something out in
the world
that runs cl,
talks
to a web api
gabriel_laddel: a surprising amount of people simply want subordinates
to order around
gabriel_laddel: trinque: in
this particular
they wanted something
that *actually works*
trinque: depending on
the
type of consulting, it may be more or less up
to you how
to actually implement whatever's called for
gabriel_laddel: But perhaps handling some of
the business side of
things + gnarly
technical
tasks.
decimation: Luke-Jr: I need
to do more research,
thank you for your candor.
gabriel_laddel: I'm noodling around with
the idea of my hunting down contracts for CL people
gabriel_laddel: ^^ I seem
to be good at making business people feel confident / happy with me.
Luke-Jr: k, highlight me if
there's more
gabriel_laddel: This is my experience.
The C++/.NET code for
the device I was communicating with
today - 250 lines of code
to do what my single line does.
trinque: doesn't seem like
they
then consider whether
they have any cranial space left for
their problem
trinque: people who prefer more complicated and disorderly systems seem
to
think
there's some virtue in being able
to cram it all into
the head (C++...)
gabriel_laddel: I got serial ports comms working in a *single line* of cl
today.
trinque: though, as it stays out of
the goddamn way of
the
task of programming, I could see never
tiring of it
trinque: I am still new enough
to
this
to be having a fantastic
time.
gabriel_laddel: o nice,
then you've pretty much
the best of what emacs has
to offer for CL development.
gabriel_laddel: you can "inspect" objects returned at
the repl by clicking on
them
trinque: gabriel_laddel: oh, lovely. write a handler, c-x c-k,
try it out, repeat
Luke-Jr: also
there was
technically
the P2SH code before 0.7 IIRC
assbot: Logged on 10-07-2015 20:46:57;
trinque: not bad, hunchentootin'
today
decimation: before 0.7
there was no code
that 'gathered consensus'
decimation: because
the meaning of 'invalid' was changed
Luke-Jr: it's not a human-made decision at all, it's just how
things are
decimation: the point I am driving at is
that someone can mine blocks without consenting
to anything w.r.t.
the codebase
decimation: oh, I see. handed down from
the ancients who wrote 0.7?
Luke-Jr: that's just
the nature of softforks
decimation: I get
that, but it still seems like a short period
Luke-Jr: also, it was an ongoing migration
that
took months
decimation: 1000 blocks (1 week) seems like a fairly small period
to change
things
Luke-Jr: had anyone else mined an invalid block for any reason,
the SPV miners would have continued
those chains
too
Luke-Jr: except it wasn't; it just meant
there were suddenly people mining invalid blocks
decimation: other
than it being
the very mechanism which activated it
Luke-Jr: decimation:
the 950/1000 block definition is specific
to BIP66/v3; it's fairly sound, and
the recent fiasco is basically unrelated
to it
decimation: yes, and
the meaning is used in
the concensus code, which 'activates' after 950/1000 blocks with
the new version are seen
Luke-Jr: trinque: sure, but
they have no particular meaning until defined
trinque: Luke-Jr: blocks have a version, do
they not?
Luke-Jr: 'block revision increment' has no meaning
to me
decimation: okay maybe I'm using
the
term 'soft-fork'
to mean something different. What do you call 'block revision increment'?
decimation: Luke-Jr: what is your opinion on
the recent soft-fork/mining fiasco? Do you
think
that 950/1000 blocks constitutes any kind of 'consensus'?
trinque: happened upon
that pulling up docs elsewhere
trinque: deleted by some guy
that edits a lot of movie/tv pages, south park in particular.
decimation: Luke did you read
the logs in here about
the 2hr block
time window?
trinque: it's somewhat interesting
to note
that wikipedia has a german page on hunchentoot, but
the english one was deleted.
decimation: He's describing
the classic 'baptists and bootleggers' economy
decimation: "These families—by law—may not have a father.
Therefore, 15 years from
that Wal-Mart going up, you will have a full generation of violent, rootless, fatherless youth grown up with no sense of community, responsibility, or decency, who will instead be infused with a sense of entitlement, righteous oppression, and slave class envy for you,
the guy buying
the house down
the street as its value plummets. "
decimation:
http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2533 < "These employees will bring
their families
to
the area.
There will also be an influx of welfare families fleeing
the city ahead of
the drug gangs and predatory police along
the bus lines set up at
tax payer expense so
that you can save 25 cents on a dozen eggs, which requires some schlep
to stock
them in
that upright cooler on a wage
that cannot support an automobile."
mod6: asciilifeform:
testnet patch looks good at first read-through. i'll apply
these
to my sources bases (on
top of stator + patches { dump/eat block }) and continue
testing. i'll also add
these
to my build-with-patches guide.
decimation: gee, I wonder if cash and
the fetish of power changed his mind
decimation: "Sanfilippo described Vincenzetti as a very liberal person interested in protecting free speech, someone who saw cryptography as "a means
to protect communications." But over
time, Vincenzetti's view evidently evolved
to allow
the security professional
to found Hacking
Team. "
☟︎ mod6: <+ascii_field> mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al: so far, no one has signed any of my patches... am i
to conclude
that nobody reads
these
things? << I've read
them all (except
the 2 you just posted, about
to read here in a moment) but I don't sign patches until release is prepared.
mod6: asciilifeform:
thakns for
the latest submissions!
gernika: "Ellen Pao,
the interim chief executive officer of Reddit, will be succeeded by Steve Huffman." << Met
this guy (Steve Huffman) years ago at a YC startup school event. Had a brief discussion with him about lisp (don't recall
the dialect he used).
☟︎ ascii_field: or is it
that jurov doesn't have a handy mechanical way
to group
these sigs
together yet ?
ascii_field: or
that nobody understands what is inside?
ascii_field: mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al: so far, no one has signed any of my patches... am i
to conclude
that nobody reads
these
things?
ag3nt_zer0: trinque: same here little of
this and little of
that
assbot: Logged on 10-07-2015 20:42:19; assbot: Logged on 15-07-2014 03:00:53; asciilifeform: me: why would
terrorist run ms-win. he:
they will always,
trust me.
ascii_field: ^ one 10**9th of
the boredom required
to actually fall asleep ?
ascii_field: we live in intense
time. not many centi-, kilo-, snores