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mircea_popescu: "i'm making a loss on every sale but hope
to make it up on volume" ?
mircea_popescu: turning a broken system into an extensive broken system does not fix
the system.
mircea_popescu: but up until
that point...
the whole charade had been powered by her
trying
to deny
this. which is substantially what honor is.
mircea_popescu: not because lazy, not because princess in her own head, but simply because
there's an end
to
things. at which point she gets
the ants.
ascii_modem: i'm posting from planet where maxint folks lived and died slaving with considerably less pushing
than 'or ants!'
mircea_popescu: i suppose i'm not putting enough explicit into
this which i know from experience but perhaps alone.
there is
this
thing
that happens
to a slave, when she's naked
mircea_popescu: i answered
that in not
taking
the ants,
they're doing exactly what people proposed miners do in 2010 : "well it's centralizing but
they should honorably resist"
ascii_modem: well as i understood, you contend
that
the ant death is 'promise, not protocol'. when i suggest
that it can be protocol, answered 'they will
take
the ants' - no ?
mircea_popescu: they learned it
the same way,
too : by having it beaten into
them as children.
mircea_popescu: objectively, what difference can you see between
the slave
that mines slavecoin because otherwise
the ants and
the holy paladin
that doesn't ravish
the maid because... "he couldn't live with himself" otherwise ?
ascii_modem: is mircea_popescu posting from some planet inhabited by beings who die rather
than slaving, en.masse?
mircea_popescu: even if you do.
the ants are adversity. what's
the definition of honorable if not "perseverent in
the face of adversity" ?
ascii_modem: can automate
the punishment a la cokemachine
mircea_popescu: goes right into
the discussion re monetary incentives a week or
two ago.
mircea_popescu: just like, you know, "coal burns in
the furnace, yet coal in
the mine will never run out" or whatever
mircea_popescu: it may very well
turn out
that bitcoin is a case of wishful
thinking, entirely being powered by
the illusion
that we've managed
to "get free energy" for as long as
this illusion
that "miners can be centrally verifying in a decentralizewd manner" lasts.
pete_dushenski: ascii_modem: 'plastique' makes me
think of explosives, but
that can't be what you mean ?
mircea_popescu: there fundamentally can not be a way
to organize mining
that's not centralizing, BECAUSE mining is going
to have
to follow
the same rules, as
that's what it does for bitcoin : checks
them.
ascii_modem: i've been
thinking of
the mechanics of miner war
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: so you see a way
to reinvigorate
the middle ?
mircea_popescu: not
that
this problem wasn't broadly predicted and discussed 2010-2011.
the solution, predictably, from white young adult us schmucks, was "honor!1!"
mircea_popescu: it was slowly nursed over half a decade by
the above unfortunate centralizing force.
mircea_popescu: this is how
the current "45% of network is dumb as rocks"
thing has appeared
mircea_popescu: and so, once it's open, people
that aren't every bit as good as you no longer have any incentive
to continue
mircea_popescu: the way
this works is : if you're any good as a miner, you're going
to have your own infrastructure. you might keep
the pool closed,
mircea_popescu: the broader problem is
that
the way mining works is very much discouraging middle, which is a serious problem, as death of
the middle class always precedes centralization.
mircea_popescu: this middle may perhaps exist, sure. sadly it's hard
to observe
ascii_modem: but will point out
that we could easily have uptake among
the not-quite-13373st but not
the most ludicrously idiotic minerz
mircea_popescu: chiefly because
that game doesn't exist, in a number of wayus.
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem
the gist of what i'm saying is
that while foundation publishing
the best code possible is a very useful and very worthy
thing, you do not have game
theoretic reasons
to expect
the
things you were claiming
to ewxpect
ascii_modem: if mircea_popescu
tells us
that
this exists alive somewhere, i'm inclined
to at least consider it
mircea_popescu: on
the other hand, some people do code defensively. rare but exists
ascii_modem: just
that without heavy blocks, multicpu makes no appreciable difference
mircea_popescu: this isn't a field where such a
thing as sop may be a defined symbol.
mircea_popescu: it's a shitty game plan, but
then again
there's women aspiring
to be singers, so.
mircea_popescu: what
the current outsider schmucks (on #bitcoin-dev and etc) hope
to achieve with
their
time is, release enough code
that nobody* uses
to give
the impression
they know
their shit, so
they can one day maybe join
the actual miners as a junior analyst, and until
then survive on conference rubber chicken.
ascii_modem: i would personally be surprised
to learn
that anyone bothered
to implement multicpu ver prior
to 950+kb blocks
mircea_popescu: there's a revenue model in place, and
traditional software paradigms plainly do not matter.
mircea_popescu: this isn't wordpress, or red hat, where you hope
to make money downstream out of basically, advertising.
mircea_popescu: understand : unlike most usecases for software, bitcoin mining presents exactly zero incentive
to share code.
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem yeah, it's on
the shelf right next
to
the secret cypher suites, have at.
ascii_modem: and i'll point out
that if
these people aren't
talking ~directly~
to each other,
they would still be verifying at speed of slowest link
ascii_modem: do we have any detectable sign of 'can
think' existing in
the wild ?
mircea_popescu: you know, spend
three hours mining a spv verified chain because
they just don't give a fuck.
ascii_modem: so
the few miners who use parallel ver ~waste fewer cycles on orphan chain~ and wipe
the floor with
the rest
mircea_popescu: but do not despair :
the same situation was in place back when
the power rangers maintained it.
mircea_popescu: game
theopretically, bitcoind is irrelevant for mining.
mircea_popescu: so, again : if
they can
think
they don't need you. if
they can't
think,
they wouldn't even know you exist.
punkman: will be hard
to use 0.5.3 for mining at
this point
punkman: 0.5.3 getwork is not compatible with anything
they use
ascii_modem: to know precisely when
to stop, he listens
to incoming blks
mod6: ascii_modem: qq about stator build script: I was
taking a closer look at
this and it seems
that your version removes 'no-shared' from
the openssl configuration parameters and replaces it with 'threads'. Any main reason here? I
thought we needed 'no-shared'? Just curious since your script seems
to work well.
ascii_modem: miner working on chain
that's been orphaned is pissing in
the wind
ascii_modem: hence
tuned into blks coming out of other miners
mircea_popescu: i'm a miner, i can't
think. i run some random derp pool, i couldn't care less about you.
ascii_modem: the funny part is
that only
the coming of
the mega-txspam could have brought
this possibility about
mircea_popescu: i'm a miner, i can
think. i run my own nodes, i run my own pool, i couldn't care less about you.
ascii_modem: mod6 et at: i've a hypothesis: if we had parallel sig verification, miners would have a strong game-theoretic immediate incentive
to seek out & use
therealbitcoin nodes
punkman: I couldn't find any mushrooms at
the market yesterday!
punkman: "Soldiers occupied Mexico City’s international airport, flights were
temporarily suspended at
the nearby
Toluca airport, near where
the prison is located, and roadblocks were set up at numerous spots"
punkman: El Chapo "slipped out of
the prison
through a rectangular passage in
the shower area of his cell
that led
to a nearly mile-long
tunnel running underneath
the prison"
gernika: punkman: So you can verify
that lizardhitler approves your
transaction? idk...
punkman: gernika: why even have a blockchain in
that
thing
shinohai: yes erik voorhees wants artificiall price inflation on ltc and other shitty alts
to keeps his shapeshift scam afloat
assbot: Logged on 12-07-2015 03:26:53; mircea_popescu: "At
the
time of posting
this LTC is at $4.25, where as when I went
to bed last night it was at $8.80. " << wasn't some
twerp going on about how ltc has more volume
than btc or some shit ?