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snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 07:10:00 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934318 << nevermind "martian". the table ante for this discussion is "perfectly functioning webserver with two decades history of the same". if it dun have that, it's not a fucking thing.

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934643 << forth will be ~5~ decades next yr.

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934642 << if it's to live, gotta cement it into trinque's collection, yes

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 05:14:04 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934312 << how did you counht ? to reiterate the http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934257 point.

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934617 << i dun have a serious output for that q yet, will come back to it .

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934613 << why ty.

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934607 << interesting idea, but plox to give detailed spec, i suspect no one can bake based on the 3ln given

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 03:51:59 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934288 << you're not thinking this through. what's a page, <100kb ? what's the daily output, 100 of these ? you're comitting to 10mb / day thereby ? ie a hour's blockchain ? this too much to ask for the republic ?

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934537 << this is troo, could cache search pgs at the current rate and not fill disk in 100y

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 02:50:22 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934268 << ok, so did you also inherit the code/domain etc ? or should i rush through some replacements, eg spyked's imgpaster ? or what here ?

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934490 << also relevantly, if ben is down w/out being rebootable, mod6 needs a new co-chair in tbf

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 02:04:22 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934252 << lol what is this, fallout the rl game ?

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934477 << archaeological find. manufacturer was 1 of the 2 castles where sovok built nukes , accelerators, related hardware.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 02:01:04 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934257 << there's a lot of cvasi-effort/idle pullulation in the wanna-be cloud sharply directed at "being mp on the cheap". he figures he'll be cool if he says that, which is why he does.

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934474 << but, lol, actual mircea_popescu never says anyffin of the kind -- always gives concrete barf when finds bug. so why then.

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934457 << in orig q i was thinking 'does this personage correspond to a wot key', prolly oughta have said concretely. ( if mircea_popescu had revealed the chix's human name, this would not have meant anyffin to asciilifeform et al )

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934436 << the american generals of '50s had somewhat similar concept, 'ooda loop'

mircea_popescu: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=0e37bfb7a7e789967a632d01769f79cf << terribru

trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934490 << stood up my own paster here, will be using from now on http://paste.deedbot.org/

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 01:24:56 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-29#1931863 << keks, so what, i been talking of harems &c for a decade+, yet peeps been just assuming i'm fantasizing or something ?

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934485 << poor alf, prolly been trying to wake up since six hours ago

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934414 << prolly a baked in fixnum from the days of the ancients no current scriptkiddy can touch. i say this because the identify nick response also 30 seconds.

feedbot: http://bimbo.club/2019/09/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-april-may-and-june-1714-part-v/ << Bimbo Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of April, May and June, 1714 - Part V.

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934408 << was outage before last, back in march

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934407 << 0 in asia.

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934398 << quote hanbot ~weekly, "damn, i wish i could draw!!!"

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934395 << it always was, dood. just because people don't customarily engage in what he's exactly right to call sinful, by reason of being so premature as to necessarily be doomed to stating idiocy,

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934393 << quite.

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934384 << yet all the good stuff that exists (i mean this in the most absoluely generall sense -- ALL of it) exists cuz we made it for ourselves.

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934382 << practical network rates are more in the 1k/s or threabouts, certainly if sustained. 2*18 is not seen even in dedicated interchanges.

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934368 << how are these two at odds ?

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934367 << i am ; and we will.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 22:16:06 asciilifeform: aha. tho presently i doubt that it's physically possible to make a 4096x4096b multiplier converge in <1ns

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934352 << this, actually, may be the thing that eventually fixes rsa keysizes for us, when we're finally there.

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934341 << the iron peh costs, currently, excavating minds from asses.

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934326 << inexplicably remains that you don't.

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934319 << not fucking famously. let me show you how famously works, in reality. "mircea popescu had, famously, naked bitches at his beck and call". that's ~famous~.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 02:45:45 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934254 << i think there's so much shame / self-loathing necessarily (and, for that matter, correctly) naturally associated by the mind with leaving here, i dinf it unsurprising dudes leave quietly.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 21:41:37 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934003 << this is I think the subcurrent here.

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934318 << nevermind "martian". the table ante for this discussion is "perfectly functioning webserver with two decades history of the same". if it dun have that, it's not a fucking thing.

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934315 << yes dude, but when ~i~ was curious the result came as "depends what you count". extend the same courtesy wtf.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 21:34:37 trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-09-03#1933478 << recently I torched my whole wad of elisp, got fed up with setting the dials on someone else's machine "just so" and calling the "just so" mine.

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934316 << if this were true he'd have been using mod_python instead of flask.

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934312 << how did you counht ? to reiterate the http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934257 point.

mircea_popescu: except with also excerpt consisting of prefix / suffix one dozen words around each search term, separated by [...] magic string) as html files (date-time-terms.html) in a special /<botname>-search directory ; and b) takes irc trackbacks, to any article from trilema mentioned in the logs,

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934300 << you actually don't even fucking need it ; it's a stop-gap measure.

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934293 << why ?

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log-search?q=f%3Asnsabot+results&chan=trilema << 23 entries found in trilema for 'f:snsabot results' ; meanwhile

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934288 << you're not thinking this through. what's a page, <100kb ? what's the daily output, 100 of these ? you're comitting to 10mb / day thereby ? ie a hour's blockchain ? this too much to ask for the republic ?

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934283 << and i still don't think there's anything wrong with it. website offering search box not necessity. if bot does, all is well.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 21:39:25 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933879 << the fact of the matter is that there are very few folks pulling revenue from inside the republic.

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934271 << or, for that matter, pulling revenue at all. the fundamental problem with socialist "money" aka scrip is that... well, inca prints and distributes.

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934268 << ok, so did you also inherit the code/domain etc ? or should i rush through some replacements, eg spyked's imgpaster ? or what here ?

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934254 << i think there's so much shame / self-loathing necessarily (and, for that matter, correctly) naturally associated by the mind with leaving here, i dinf it unsurprising dudes leave quietly.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 01:48:32 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934227 << i propose we give it a rest for nao, and upgrade / improve later if need to on basis of experience.

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934468 << ha! fewer things to do! i aint about to protest.

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934252 << lol what is this, fallout the rl game ?

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934257 << there's a lot of cvasi-effort/idle pullulation in the wanna-be cloud sharply directed at "being mp on the cheap". he figures he'll be cool if he says that, which is why he does.

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934241 << or on freenode, which was vaguely suspected of evil for it

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934235 << ha, interdasting race condition!

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934227 << i propose we give it a rest for nao, and upgrade / improve later if need to on basis of experience.

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934219 << ok, but that's still no reason not to include it, you know ?

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934214 < <fixed meanwhiles i see ?

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 15:17:27 spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934123 <-- huh, whaddaya know, that was the problem! ty, diana_coman! unfortunately baking a patch isn't as simple as "vdiff a b", because sbcl comes with binaries included. :| will get to this when I'm back home

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934209 << keks. because why wouldn't it, amirite.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 09:57:25 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-29#1931848 << this character mentioned 4 or 5 times recently... but does it have a name ? ( i admit, when 1st saw picture, assumed it was a young photo-shy hanbot )

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-29#1931863 << keks, so what, i been talking of harems &c for a decade+, yet peeps been just assuming i'm fantasizing or something ?

mircea_popescu: the theory says, that for any context there exists in all cases a P-threshold epsilon, such that if P>e W=0 whereas if P<e, W=q, where q is a quantified amount of productivity (because yes, W is quantified, like low-scale energies).

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933961 << it occurs to me this passed unformalized, and it'd be a pity. so, the mp theory of work-conditions-and-productivity-for-intellectuals :

lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934071 << about to head to bed, but tomorrow morning I'm gonna do some deep log spelunking and investigating and report findings in a blog post.

lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934213 << ty!

asciilifeform: ( btw , for thread-completeness -- you need 4096 modexp in < 3.8 ~microsecond~ to eat GB at line-rate. )

asciilifeform: aha. tho presently i doubt that it's physically possible to make a 4096x4096b multiplier converge in <1ns

trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934003 << this is I think the subcurrent here.

trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933879 << the fact of the matter is that there are very few folks pulling revenue from inside the republic.

trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1933983 << I think this kind of comparison is exactly what's needed.

spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934123 <-- huh, whaddaya know, that was the problem! ty, diana_coman! unfortunately baking a patch isn't as simple as "vdiff a b", because sbcl comes with binaries included. :| will get to this when I'm back home

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-05 14:02:30 asciilifeform: thinking again today about this , and dug, found in fact that toshiba & coupla others offer ~single~ cell led<->photovoltaic pieces. and that could prolly connect these in series for the desired effect...

BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> some of the nearby folx, have actual cellars, and these have pumps going at all times, sorta like bilge pump in ship. they gurgle out to the street periodically. << This is the midwestern standard. On a long enough timeline every structure with a basement needs one.

mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L98RF213Kc << the martian radio service grants wishes

feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y06/09f-hunchentoot-genesis.html << The Tar Pit -- Hunchentoot genesis

asciilifeform: apropos : http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934034 << this gripe is factual -- cl standard was written by 'tower of babel' and specifically excluded unix knobs. so all ~usable pc lisps in fact have nonstandard knobs for threads, sockets, etc. iirc this was detailed in prev. threads.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 06:37:14 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934000 << i've yet to see lisp actually do anything useful, so this'd be a quindecennial first.

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934022 << can't resist the bait -- neither the 3y of phf's logger, nor deedbot, 'useful' ? ( or does 'see' require that proggy is actually published ? or wat. )

lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1933985 << ugh, looks like I lost ~2 hours of logs

ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 06:47:33 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934003 << i don't know if didactic's the word, rather evaluatory. we want to know what exact dragons lay there, in the general, and you declared yourself interested in lisp, so it seemed a very natural fit ; then you self-selected the task and i didnt have any objectiosn, for these reasons.\

spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934029 <-- not sure thetarpit's current code is more than "php scripting in Lisp" either, it was written in my CL-noob years. the webpage generation bits are pretty nifty tho, on account of cl-who.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 07:01:51 mircea_popescu: (as an aside, leaving be the situation where this is entirely obscure arcana, top results on "hutchentoot" searches include 2015 tmsr logs, consider http://compgroups.net/comp.lang.lisp/scripting-in-cl-please-comment/239090 as a fine illustration, the moneyshot being macro index,pager <F7> " <enter-command> set pipe_decode=yes<enter> <enter-command> set my_wait_key=\$wait_key wait_key=no<enter> <pipe-message>/h

spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934030 <-- hm. who's that? can't seem to relate it to the subj. in any way (other than the post mentioning CL)

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 04:29:51 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933935 <-- not entirely. at this point, http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933934 is in the phase where "let's use these pieces we've reviewed to do some useful X", where X can be blogotron comments, logotron frontend, etc. so say I illustrate Hunchentoot through these applications; are they to be just for didactic purpose? and if yes, then w

ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 06:52:48 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934000 << i've yet to see lisp actually do anything useful, so this'd be a quindecennial first.

spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934022 <-- hm, that's a very strong point re. this decision whether to continue or not. well, #trilema has some IRC bots powered by Lisp, so that's something.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 06:51:30 mircea_popescu: if you never put the work in to evaluate hutch, there'd never have been any basis for [][conclusions] << my comment re "this isn't lisp" should have gone in there, but i can't fucking find it because on your blog has no recent posts nor in the logsearch because thetarp hutch return nothing becuase your blog doesn't have title-urls.

spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934020 <-- there's no "conclusion" post, but yeah, these oughta go somewhere. the closest thing to a conclusion is http://thetarpit.org/posts/y06/09d-hunchentoot-vib.html#selection-970.0-970.7

spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934014 <-- more along the lines of: convert from thetarpit-format to mp-wp-format so that paragraphs, photos etc. display properly; it's not a big deal, but I expect there are a few unknowns that might require manually walking the article list. which isn't *that* big, but still.

mircea_popescu: .hyber.org/privbind.yaws][the YAWS documentation] has a comprehensive writeup on the topic." << the link is something else, its spurious whie really bolsters the useless postdoc angle.

mircea_popescu: "Hunchentoot is (or was) for example used by <a href="http://quickhoney.com/">QuickHoney</a>, <a href="http://www.city-farming.de/">City Farming</a>, <a href="http://heikestephan.de/">Heike Stephan</a>." << forgot to put that lulz in the log somehow.

mircea_popescu: ftware/misc/savebody<enter> <enter-command> set wait_key=\$my_wait_key &my_wait_key<enter> <enter-command> set pipe_decode=no<enter> " "view message body in browser"

mircea_popescu: (as an aside, leaving be the situation where this is entirely obscure arcana, top results on "hutchentoot" searches include 2015 tmsr logs, consider http://compgroups.net/comp.lang.lisp/scripting-in-cl-please-comment/239090 as a fine illustration, the moneyshot being macro index,pager <F7> " <enter-command> set pipe_decode=yes<enter> <enter-command> set my_wait_key=\$wait_key wait_key=no<enter> <pipe-message>/home/tpapp/so