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mircea_popescu: e nation. Even after many years we feel
the effect of
this
tragedy on ourselves. We must do a great deal
to make sure
that
this is never forgotten.”
mircea_popescu: ere raised above
the main value—the value of human life, above
the rights and liberties of man. For our country
this is especially
tragic, because
the scale was colossal.
Thousands, millions of people were destroyed, sent
to concentration camps, shot,
tortured
to death. And
these were primarily people who had
their own opinions, who weren't afraid
to voice
them.
These were
the most effective people—the flower of
th
mircea_popescu: Of course,
this
took a
terrible
toll on society. Here is what Putin had
to say on
the subject of “red
terror”: “Think of
the hostages who were shot during
the civil war,
the destruction of entire social strata—the clergy,
the prosperous peasants,
the Cossacks. Such
tragedies have recurred more
than once during
the history of mankind. And it always happened when initially attractive but ultimately empty ideals w
decimation: why do
they get
to have
their 'own identity'? > "Bolzano has Italy's highest GDP per capita, according
to figures from Italy's National Statistics Office. Locals move around on bikes even when it rains and are proud of showing-off
to
the world Ötzi
the Iceman, a mummy found in
the glaciers close
to Austria."
decimation: ... my mother
tongue so I show
them
this card. It drives me mad. I call
this linguistic imperialism."
pete_dushenski: decimation:
then
that's
the part, north of florence, worth
the bother !
mircea_popescu: go
to
the museum, look at
the statues,
then look at
the people milling around
them.
mircea_popescu: and
the short, brown, dumbass current inhabitants have as much
to do with
the slender, white, original builders of
the monuments as your egyptian arabs have
to do with
the egyptians.
decimation: I would wager
that nearly all products you
think of as 'coming from italy' are made north of florence
mircea_popescu: yes. no difference in leechdom between italy and greece.
they're exactly
the same sort of zoo park. ex civilisaiton, plox baksheesh
that's visible at giza
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski
this may reflect your own mind more
than
the ground.
pete_dushenski: not saying 'italy' isn't a modern construct, more
that what lies within its currently defined borders just so happens, perhaps by chance, perhaps not,
to include more valuable 'parts'
than greece does.
mircea_popescu: for
the record : p is impulse.
the definition of inertia is m = F/a, where m is inertia[l mass].
mircea_popescu: ask
the barbarians who can fuck more soldiers
than a roman matron
assbot: Logged on 21-07-2015 14:25:35; pete_dushenski: greece has been at
this game since plato, neh ?
pete_dushenski: "“Given our focus on Falcon 9, we’ve de-prioritized Falcon Heavy
to probably launch in
the spring next year, maybe April or so,” SpaceX chief executive Elon Musk
told reporters Monday."
mircea_popescu: "let's call
things
thing because it's
the internet of
things and conviction's more important
than a clue!"
mircea_popescu: "The formula for inertia is p=mv where p is inertia, m is mass and v is velocity." ahaha where did
they find
this fuckwit
pete_dushenski: sorta first-come-first-serve in
that sense, and germany beat russia
to
the punch
pete_dushenski: the latest 'bailout conditions' do seem
to indicate
that greece's public amenities are being
turned over
to private/eu concerns.
phf: putin be like "oh, so we're buying
this shit? i got caash." and germany is like "no no, sshh, we're HELPING, mommy knows best, shoo"
phf: pete_dushenski:
that i don't know. i was under
the impression
that germany came out stand as an independent economic power. with
that assumption i don't see german bailout as any different as putin buying
the place. with bailout
the power lines are all obscured, because
the purchase is done within an existing political framework so is not blatant.
pete_dushenski: which, had
the internet not come along and fucked shit up quite so badly, might've even worked.
pete_dushenski: if you're saying
that
the eu is failed/failing, which i happen
to agree with,
then by extension so has
their monetary union and
the german attempts at 'peaceful' unification of europe.
pete_dushenski: you can't have
the eu failing and
the bundestag succeeding at
the same
time.
they're one and
the same.
phf: i don't know if
the whole greece situation is a failure
though.
that /eu/ failed was obvious by 2005 or so. now germans seem
to be doing exactly what
they want
to,
that is refine
their control over various parts of europe. next it's bailouts for italy, spain, etc. where wehrmacht failed, bundestag succeeds
pete_dushenski: and
the opinions of
the educated are
to be discounted because
the media has a bridge
to sell you ?
phf: pete_dushenski: i vaguelly agree with
that, but i'd say
that's sop opinion here.
pete_dushenski: like greece is a broken arm, instead of
the broken head it is.
pete_dushenski: phf: sure it's sentimental, but sparta didn't invade
troy for a woman, greece is being propped up because
the eu doesn't want
to admit FAILURE and suck Putin's and b-a's cock
to compensate.
nubbins`: i've passed up on coins because
the addresses had extra funds sent
to em
nubbins`: sending spam/dust
to a casascius coin's address is like spraying indelible graffiti on it
funkenstein_: spamming an address doesn't change
the age of
the UTXOs already
there
nubbins`: nobody's spammed all of
the casascius coins yet
nubbins`: reason i'm wondering
this is
that it came up
the other day
phf: what i'm saying is
that i wouldn't be surprised if some large number of europeans are focusing on greeks for purely sentimental reasons. "bedrock of civilization"
☟︎☟︎ pete_dushenski: find
the banged-up merc 200 -days- after
the accident and maybe you find yourself a new alternator, or maybe
the glass is all intact and salvageable.
nubbins`: <+punkman> depends on fee/age/etc << gimme some numbers here! oldest coins i have handy access
to haven't moved since sept 2014
phf: pete_dushenski: i'm not in a position
to save any one country. if i were putin, i'd buy greece, move greeks off some of
the islands, and recreate greek drama with imported nubile slavs, but
☟︎ pete_dushenski: leave
that smashed-up merc for 200 years in
the scrapyard and it'll be rust dust.
pete_dushenski: less
time for decay, more pieces left
to rebuild with.
pete_dushenski: even if
they did just bring egyptian and abrahamic philosophy
to
the northern mediterranean
pete_dushenski: and i'm not saying
that
the greeks haven't been influential intellectually
pete_dushenski: well, eastern half of
the roman empire 'went greek,' infecting eastern europe and up into russia, so
that'd make sense.
phf: russian (and european) literature borrows from greeks as much as it did from italians. i grew up intimately knowing greek mythos and not just from watching Hercules on
tv, because you can't read a single russian novel without some greek allusion or outright a direct reference. when i went
there i knew places from before even seeing
them
pete_dushenski: aha. well i'm in canada but it's largely
the same 'culture'.
phf: sorry, "here" in
the states
phf: pete_dushenski: right, and
that's what i'm saying is american bias. italy is popularized here because of all
the italians, while greece is sometimes vaguely remembered
pete_dushenski: phf: both failed states ? sure.
the point isn't
that
their governments suck merkel's balls, of course
they do,
the point is
that one of
them is usable for spare parts,
the other isn't.
funkenstein_: olympus massif is beautiful, worth a visit for
that summit alone
phf: pete_dushenski: i
think
that's american bias. as a eurpn i feel
the same about greece as you do about itality,
though
they both are failed states and
third world economies
pete_dushenski: at
the same
time, i can see why a -person- would bother with italy : architecture, stronger remnants of culture, art, (albeit modest) production capability, some measure of refinement here and
there.
☟︎ pete_dushenski: eu of course isn't a -person-, it's a ponzi scheme with 'dignity'
that has
to save face.
pete_dushenski: you make it sound like we need
them, when in point of fact it's
the converse
that's
truer.
pete_dushenski: i dun see
that
the group has much recourse against
the capitalist.
pete_dushenski: but
today's hungry have no such option, from whence comes
the idea
that bitcoin wasn't discovered ?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: when grandfather was in prison, yes - hungry - which is why he still won't eat soup
to
this day.
punkman: "buy greek, support
the economy"
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: eh, not like factory workers need so much
to eat. hungry people work.
punkman: pete_dushenski: oh last couple years
there's little greek flags on a myrida of products
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: agreed. i'm not of
the opinion
that usistan doesn't have useful shards.
decimation: the only part of italy
that isn't orc-land is
the po river valley
pete_dushenski: i don't recall seeing a 'made in greece'
tag recently, if ever.
decimation: now germany/france/uk are whining
that
they are being crushed by
the debts
they lent
to
these idiots so
they could spend on
their exports
decimation: the 'eu' was a funding vehicle
to give all
the poor idiots money
to buy german/french/uk goods
pete_dushenski: that's for
the shake-out
to determine, not
top-down authorities.
pete_dushenski: "Greece is very much oligarch-ridden" << because i'm sure greece would be in an EVEN BETTER financial position if only
the power were returned
to
the puddles of mud who voted 'oxi'.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: unless scrapyard is 'pick n' pull', in which case it's not just
the raw materials
that's priced out, but
the actual functional parts extant
pete_dushenski: punkman: under eu 'phree bezzle if you sign here', sure, but
that's relatively recent.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: where were greece's foreign colonies in
the last millennia ?
decimation: it is nuts, but it's kinda what happens when you are pretending
that
the 'eu' exists
pete_dushenski: italy, spain, and portugal suck in
their own way, but
their not career criminals like
the greeks are.
pete_dushenski: what, just because
they're all on
the mediterranean, apples are oranges now ?
pete_dushenski: a precedent's only a precedent if
two
things are comparable.
decimation: the only reason anyone gives
two shits about greece is because of
the precedent it would set for spain, italy, other countries
that matter