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mircea_popescu: seems more logical to either sell the stock or else pledge it as collateral/repo it with someone who specializes in this
mircea_popescu: the complexities of automated actuarial calculation tho...
mircea_popescu: jurov you know this reminds me of that joke, someone asks henry miller what sort of writing pays the best
mircea_popescu: but then again i guess miners aren't (yet) too sophisticated, financially.
mircea_popescu: i'd go as far as to say it's financially irresponsible for any large-ish mining operation to not hedge diff
mircea_popescu: one can put a bid in whether someone offers any or not
mircea_popescu: if you have a lot of btc it makes sense to sell some, maybe
mircea_popescu: if you actually have a mining farm active you can calculate both the volume and the price at which you should be buying to make a profit.
mircea_popescu: they should be pretty straightforward, i have no idea why people don't use them a lot more.
mircea_popescu: judging by the recent experience of the gem thingee, btc market is a lot more mature.
mircea_popescu: and tot volume is glbse bullshit. either 30 day or 1 year
mircea_popescu: also a point : () is traditionally notation for negative figures
mircea_popescu: i'll tell you something tho, it's good that you changed the way 7day etc volume is presented
mircea_popescu: market order guarantees execution, doesn't guarantee price
mircea_popescu: limit order guarantees price, doesn't guarantee execution
mircea_popescu: <Bugpowder> you should never use a market order, ever << why not ?
mircea_popescu: <topace> it'd be nice if the BUY response provided the order id << the webserver does not know what ids the orders will end up with.
mircea_popescu: "Asking for up to 5btc loan- returning 3%/day in a 2-4 weeks"
mircea_popescu: and for that matter naive investment doesn't work too well in fiat anyway.
mircea_popescu: we don't yet have the infrastructure to support naive investment,
mircea_popescu: jcpham i suspect the more efficient gpus are atm the baseline
mircea_popescu: yeah i think fpgas will turn out to be the best investments ever.
mircea_popescu: the problem with "are scams" arguments in btc is that the chances of it becoming purely semantinc are so high. most are idiots rather than scammers i guess.
mircea_popescu: their latest move makes it pretty convincing in my eyes.
mircea_popescu: more of a sporting interest for me than anything else.
mircea_popescu: and i can't bring myself to throw 100 btc on this either, im not invested in them either way
mircea_popescu: how about deliver 80% of their first batch by mar 1st. 240 units or w/e it was.
mircea_popescu: dust-otc well... im not sure i want even odds on that, and i'm not sure "a unit" means anything in this context.
mircea_popescu: azx that's what we're discussing. avalon's most recent announcement.
mircea_popescu: i guess there's also the asicminer ppl. tho they're about three weeks late on their revised estimates without a good reason by now/
mircea_popescu: avalon seems pretty much a scam on the strength of this latest move.