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mircea_popescu: cuz then you're gonna say it was a coincidence.
mircea_popescu: why turner of all people ?
asciilifeform: when ted turner is publicly bathed in sulfuric acid - then.
asciilifeform: when obamitler is impaled at nuremberg - then, done, yes.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i dun think it currently is possible to have an open source graphical anything. ☟︎
asciilifeform: usg is still in the ring.
mircea_popescu: there wasn't yet the fight to end boxing per se.
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 04:17:19; mircea_popescu: but the beating usg is taking online for the past half decade makes the beating it's been taking on the ground in any military engagement since ww2 look like a piss in the park.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216111 << the difference between a 'opm' beating and a genuine one is that the beaten fella isn't back next week asking for more, at the end of a genuine one ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 04:16:42; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they're getting decimated alright, you're just not in a too good position to observe it i guess.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216110 << wake me up when surinam takes alaska and there is no army to oppose it. ☝︎
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's looking like to build a working Eulora Imma have to do it like Bitcoin-qt and hit delete a lot. This closed source Nvidia CS-toolkit is no bueno
BingoBoingo: That was the moment where the transition went from every individual computer manufacterer's branded Microsoft DOS to the unified Windows monolith. It really is no wonder... considering what was going on at IBM in retrospect... that people though OS/2 had a chance
pete_dushenski: "Drivers who work for Uber should verify their vehicles are insured for commercial use, the Insurance Bureau of Canada said Tuesday after the Alberta government concluded the ride-hailing service's insurance policies don't meet that province's requirements." << ayup. sv's 'sharing economy' is a whole whack of insurance fraud.
BingoBoingo: Windows wasn't really even much of a thing apparently until Windows 95 when the local Walmart had lines for it thanks to "marketing"
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> << this was maybe os/x and generally crapple. it pretty much never was microsoft. microsoft was historically more like george costanza's annoying tune. << Unfortunately for everyone's enshittenment Constanza and Windows 95 ascended to prominence at roughly the same time.
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 00:28:06; nubbins`: nobody wanted windows, they wanted the experience of being dazzled by shiny things
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1215534 << this was maybe os/x and generally crapple. it pretty much never was microsoft. microsoft was historically more like george costanza's annoying tune. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: <phf> lizard hitler's stash <<< yeah, aka "i'll believe this outside phenomena happened if and only if, and only to the degree it, confirms convictions i held previously and independently of reality"
mircea_popescu: phf yeah, which is how snowden (1) got all the stuff in the first place.
mircea_popescu: but the beating usg is taking online for the past half decade makes the beating it's been taking on the ground in any military engagement since ww2 look like a piss in the park. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they're getting decimated alright, you're just not in a too good position to observe it i guess. ☟︎
BingoBoingo: <phf> lizard hitler's stash << Jurrassic World topping the box office because Lizards are real
asciilifeform: or pill against rsa they've had since 1993 is revealed
asciilifeform: and i mean ~genuine~ catastrophe, not 'jam tomorrow' like the opm thing
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2015 04:57:56; asciilifeform: essentially, something so utterly catastrophic to usg that it could not possibly be a hangout
phf: if corporate sop is anything to go by, it's probably easier to get access to powerpoints (cross-company shared materials), then to actual technical details (contained within individual teams' machines)
mircea_popescu: they couldn't even let the ips through, because that badly set up.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, that was actually a rather lulzy forced humiliation.
mircea_popescu: and at the time at least they still thought "we" don't have the list
mircea_popescu: the reason they did is that some of the ips were actually traceable to various poorly protected shells.
asciilifeform: but instead help to showcase the muscles thereof
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> if nothing else whatsoever were known about them, the redactions make it entirely obvious << WHich is why the escaped yet utterly contained Snowden1 is known for nothing but powerpoints. Censored and surrounded with phriends.
asciilifeform: ergo they are not in any sense enemies of usg
asciilifeform: they even censored something so mundane as the botnet c&c ips
asciilifeform: and the total, unwavering absence of leakz with actual technical details passing through them.
asciilifeform: if nothing else whatsoever were known about them, the redactions make it entirely obvious
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asciilifeform: because they ~do not actually want the ears cut off the walls~
asciilifeform: but the inevitable conclusion is that the greenwald shitgang works for washington
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform fwiw, i've not yet published tons of reams of piles of stuff either.
asciilifeform: notice that no one is forcing the buggerz to print anything today.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> well, everything you saw the guardian publish, at any rate. << Greenwald/Guardian did filter the SNowden 1 documents
mircea_popescu: the fact that the barnacles are barnacles does not speak much of the ship.
mircea_popescu: still draggedf their feet for almost a whole day.
mircea_popescu: recall that one time when iu had to force "wikileaks" to publish documents ?
mircea_popescu: well, everything you saw the guardian publish, at any rate.
asciilifeform: which all just ~happens~ to be idiot powerpoint
mircea_popescu: does not per se say anything about the earlier one.
mircea_popescu: but looky : the fact that some later schmuck had better/different materials
asciilifeform: on top of this, the greenwald-poitras-omidyar shitgang never mentioned him again
asciilifeform: but disposed of him (and anyone who might be able to supply conclusive proof)
asciilifeform: they were also, apparently, unable to entirely suppress the rumour of the existence of 'second man'
asciilifeform: and the fact that it was 1) out of phase 2) no more where that came from.
asciilifeform: no, based on ANT papers vs all the other garbage
mircea_popescu: the problem with this theory is that it's thoroughly based on itself.
asciilifeform: the 'second leaker' is abundantly clear from the entirely other (interesting, actionable, technically-detailed) nature of the 'ANT catalogue' papers
asciilifeform: for this, we visit earlier threads re: hangout
asciilifeform: t1 = schmuckden runs off with some paperz, gives to phriendz t2 = found, through one way or another, and nailgunned t3 = snowden (tm) (r) is created
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> the difference is a brick in the face. << I lean towards attributing this to the two having sifferent roles and access. Difference being Snowden1 achieved escape velocity before collaborating with Greenwald and others while 2 blindly followed 1's example into trap
asciilifeform: i can think of a few others
asciilifeform: ^ this is one entirely plausible sketch
mircea_popescu: something like that ?
mircea_popescu: so, t1 = snowden 2 ran off with some papers ; t2 = usg figurdd it out ; t3 = snowden 1 is created for purpose of defense ; t4 = greenwald & co start promoting snowden 1 ; t5 = snowden 2 finally makes public contact ; t6 = greenwald & co claim contact ; t7->to this present day
asciilifeform: mr nsa firmware diddler reads morning papers, for months, containing snowden (tm). decides to fuck his employer, who he never really liked
mircea_popescu: lemme try.
mircea_popescu: care to make this a narrative for my benefit ?
asciilifeform: the difference is a brick in the face.
asciilifeform: i read 100% of the material attributed to both 'snowdens'
asciilifeform: and no more technical docs after this.
asciilifeform: and the fact that after 'other snowden' published this, greenwald & co claimed contact
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: circumstantial; based on out-of-phase release time, and the content (uncensored) and formatting (full text memos, with technical detail, rather than idiot powerpoint) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: poor criteria for anything but moviemaking, this.
mircea_popescu: not that what you propose doesn't make for a better story, but still.
mircea_popescu: where is this evidence ?
asciilifeform: greenwald helped to lead him to the cork-lined cellar, yes
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> who was killed << I suspect this is more Greenwald than Snowden1
asciilifeform: (there is convincing evidence that all the ~good stuff~ - e.g., DEITYBOUNCE, GODSURGE, etc. - is from snowden2
mircea_popescu: the problem is not that i don't understand what you're saying. the problem is i don't see what you're basing it on.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dun get what you base this on!
asciilifeform: hardcore philologists may care about the imaginary personal life of a literary character, sure
asciilifeform: and anyway, snowden is a tv character
asciilifeform: the responsible thing to do is to help propel the bastards to hell where they belong.
mircea_popescu: well something like that.
mircea_popescu: ;;isup trilema.com
asciilifeform: and serving his usg masters to this day
asciilifeform: for hoarding the goodz
mats: a man does not purport to reveal govt wrongdoing and then proceed to dump hundreds of thousands of documents indiscriminately
mats: snowden deserves to hang
asciilifeform: he was permitted to write a book, the very typical 'escaped sov brass' boot, nominally 'edgy' but 100% usg-approved
assbot: After Petition Obama Still Wants to Try Snowden for Espionage | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1IpPg0C )
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 03:08:33; mircea_popescu: wait, kalughin ?! the guy who was eventually bent in two, tied together and thrown out with the trash ?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1215958 << what did he expect, running off to usa? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 02:43:09; mircea_popescu: lol this is going to be painful.
mats: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1215892 << what do you mean by this? ☝︎
phf: i don't know the bush and the policeman reference, but i assume "bent in two, tied together and thrown out" is a reference to his espionage trial, then the same
mircea_popescu: the guy that kept waking up and dreaming stuff with the bush and the policeman ?
mircea_popescu: wait, kalughin ?! the guy who was eventually bent in two, tied together and thrown out with the trash ? ☟︎
BingoBoingo: Carnegie and Rockefeller did not invent Northern Aggression on their own in their own lifetimes without foundations
phf: i met oleg kalugin at russian cultural center, he had a handler with him, a tall gentleman, presumably from cia, who mas making sure that kalugin doesn't say something he's not supposed to say. i always wanted one of those, but until that time i just look for coded messages in the new yorker :)