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mircea_popescu: not that far off, either.
mircea_popescu: looky here : "there's no blade of grass in the forest that the doe could not shit on, at its pleasure". perhaps. fact : grass will grow through where the antlers were, and not know the difference.
asciilifeform: i dare to suggest that there is not a single transoceanic line or satellite in orbit that usg could not arbitrarily diddle, or remove entirely, at their pleasure.
mircea_popescu: recall the thread with the sluts living there wearing "D&G" purses ?
asciilifeform: recall thread with chinese si fabs running winblowz ?
mircea_popescu: i guess you get to see the wonder to believe the wonder then.
asciilifeform: as far as the machines are concerned, this is actually true
mircea_popescu: tell you what, it'll fall into the ocean and nobody'll even notice.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, because you bought into the ridoinculous "us=world" nonsense.
mircea_popescu: as the bear was getting ready to stomp the anthill, the anthill in question was very animated by the following political debate : some ants wanted to tear down one wall, while some other ants thought this is stupid.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i don't see this picture where it is absent in us but somehow present in patagonia
mircea_popescu: if you think the dispute as to how internet won't be available in the future in the us comes down to what anyone wants, usg or not usg...
mircea_popescu: usg is arguing that "olympics are bad mkay, not because we can't afford anything, but because <<<gentrification>>>".
asciilifeform: alcatel is usg to me
mircea_popescu: you are aware the usg can't maintain infrastructure anyway, and if you persist in staying there you will one day connect to b-a via satellite phones provided by, likely, fucking spain.
asciilifeform: this is different from 'i recommend that mircea_popescu filter all unsigned udp at his door'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the link concerned ~infrastructure~. usg is trying so that when i get my signed udp, and try to send it to mircea_popescu, it won't leave my street even.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so then we don't even disagree.
asciilifeform: note that i'm all for rejecting unsigned udp
asciilifeform: routing tcp no-questions-asked while filtering packets that could be signature-authed without storing state is braindamaged.
mircea_popescu: if you imagine bitcoin took off because the muppets, you're inhabiting a very special place.
assbot: Bitcoin in Argentina : exactly nothing to do with the derps on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1eCTVVg )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the absence of a solution is not an argument in favour of shitpiles.
Azelphur: (No access to outside websites -> no access to Bitcoin -> Bitcoin never takes off)
mircea_popescu: Azelphur the part of my business that consists of redditards opining would never have existed. to my benefit.
asciilifeform: and i suppose i will write letters to mircea_popescu and spirit them out in the rectums of pig carcasses loaded onto the great sailing ships ?
Azelphur: Surely in that example most of your business would never have existed?
mircea_popescu: they do not belong outside of the walled gardens, keep em there.
asciilifeform: it is physically impossible to get any easier to filter than udp-with-signature
asciilifeform: i will say it again, the push against udp is usg disinfo. and everyone who buys into it should retreat to the library with a copy of richard stevens and think very carefully.
mircea_popescu: yes. much easier to filter.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu prefers to be ddosed with tcp ?
asciilifeform: (it is much easier to filter, and will be filtered by usg infrastructure.)
mircea_popescu: im just saying you don't own the moon, is all.
mircea_popescu: hey, im not saying there's a good alternative.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the thing about raw ip is that it typically requires os support
mircea_popescu: do that, then i'll change my mind.
asciilifeform: irresponsible users are to be unplugged.
mircea_popescu: until you get those, it's just a ddos haven.
Azelphur: Also, if anything UDP is lighter on the infrastructure than TCP
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not germane, even though valid.
mircea_popescu: you want upd, make it illegal for retards to connect.
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: so fuck most VOIP services, Games, and anything else that requires low latency without packet delivery confirmation? XD
mircea_popescu: i don't care what you need. fuck you and your needs. the infrastructure can't support udp in the current configuration. you don't get udp for this reason.
mircea_popescu: Azelphur fuck them all.
asciilifeform: whether it is done with udp as such or raw ip (i.e. udp with protocol field set to 666) is immaterial
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: you realise UDP is essential for a number of services and that they wouldn't function using TCP, right?
mircea_popescu: i wish it were made a law that no isp may provide udp connectivity for a price under the minimum wage.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: single-packet auth is the only gossipd worth using.
mircea_popescu: once aol was allowed online, it necessarily followed no udp. i'm sick of having to deal with it.
mircea_popescu: re http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-byrne-opsec-udp-advisory-00#page-3 < i think it's a fabulous idea. udp belongs the same place finger, telnet and email belong. the scrapheap of a different world, one where undergrads did not have internet access.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell lobbes it is probably best to unplug that thing until you fix it
asciilifeform: ;;later tell trinque please consider submitting patch to the ml !
assbot: Logged on 30-07-2015 12:13:43; jurov: every time i asked how, eventually it boiled down to depend on retroactivity
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1217706 << how's that ? ☝︎
asciilifeform: 'In the case of WebRTC [I-D.draft-ietf-rtcweb-transports], TURN [RFC5766] should be used to concentrate and manage a known-good UDP flows.' <<< ahahaha, 'pleeez herd all yer packetz through usg middleman box'
shinohai: I had no problem installing, etc. per instructions. Now it is just using it to do actually build something.
shinohai: Well, I know what I gotta do thisweekend.
asciilifeform: shinohai: but you don't really need the manual unless you are doing something more clever than anything i've done so far
asciilifeform: shinohai: only the official manual
shinohai: asciilifeform: have any good recommended reading for learning how to use buildroot ?
assbot: Logged on 29-01-2015 01:52:06; asciilifeform: mats: and given that authentication happens on receipt of first packet - with antireplay nonce - unscannable for (you can't tell if a machine is a brick, a live box refusing to relay ping, or a gossip-udp node)
assbot: Loper OS » “The Internet of the Future” ... ( http://bit.ly/1fKTNnm )
assbot: Logged on 30-07-2015 10:48:40; jurov: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-byrne-opsec-udp-advisory-00 i had to check it isn't 1st april
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu check it out, usg read the gossipd logs, and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1217682 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 30-07-2015 11:00:08; punkman: "If UDP must be used, encapsulate it in IPsec [RFC4303] to avoid matching IP protocol 17 filters."
assbot: Logged on 30-07-2015 10:48:40; jurov: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-byrne-opsec-udp-advisory-00 i had to check it isn't 1st april
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1217682 << in the land of the demented clowns, it is ~always~ april the first. except, the chainsaw is real, and blade is sharp, and the pretty gurl really ~does~ get cut in half !! ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 30-07-2015 06:32:42; trinque: asciilifeform: mod6: ben_vulpes: hey, I fixed rotor.sh on my box by adding --host=x86_64-linux to the configure step for bdb
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1217651 << congrats trinque ! another winner. ☝︎
punkman: !up The20YearIRCloud
shinohai: It's interesting to think about. I just like the summary of Christianity - which, because I live in that "One Nation under GAWD" I get rather sick of hearing the masses go on about. ☟︎
jurov: every time i asked how, eventually it boiled down to depend on retroactivity ☟︎☟︎
jurov: oh, mp just sooo likes to imagine how actual humans will be separated from dumb beasts
shinohai: If I were a derpy redditor, I would tip mp for that article. One of my favorite yet.
scoopbot_revived: So, what of the future ? http://trilema.com/2015/so-what-of-the-future/
punkman: BingoBoingo: why's that interesting?
shinohai: "In the continuing quest to increase block size and reduce bandwidth issues, Gavin plans to integrate blockchain sync by carrier pigeon in the next release of BitcoinXT"
assbot: Sharp Plans to Launch DC-powered Air Conditioner in 2015 - Nikkei Technology Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1KABPSh )
punkman: "If UDP must be used, encapsulate it in IPsec [RFC4303] to avoid matching IP protocol 17 filters." ☟︎
assbot: 9base | suckless.org tools ... ( http://bit.ly/1eCwmvO )
jurov: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-byrne-opsec-udp-advisory-00 i had to check it isn't 1st april ☟︎☟︎
BingoBoingo: Or, they want to
shinohai: Nice spin on that BingoBoingo. Team America, world police strikes again.
assbot: Cecil (lion) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1VORuk9 )
scoopbot_revived: Cecil the Lion is a Pretext for Expanding Extraterritoriality of US Law http://qntra.net/2015/07/cecil-the-lion-is-a-pretext-for-expanding-extraterritoriality-of-us-law/ ☟︎
shinohai: Great, I need something good to read. All I have read is utter shit this week.
shinohai: gm BingoBoingo, you the only bloke awake at this hour?
trinque: boost also barfs about a number of targets, none of which seem to have mattered.
trinque: asciilifeform: mod6: ben_vulpes: hey, I fixed rotor.sh on my box by adding --host=x86_64-linux to the configure step for bdb ☟︎
trinque: mod6: https://community.oracle.com/thread/2322618?tstart=0 << here's somebody bitching about the rotor db build error we saw... on solaris
lobbes: ;;later tell asciilifeform Did some research and looks like I'm going to have to actually edit the plugin for supybot RSS in order to get lobbesbot to store history. I know SQL, but not python. In other words, I gotta teach myself how to make it insert into a table, and check it before spitting out RSS feeds. I'll keep you posted. But for now, I sleep.
decimation: the stator I built a month ago is almost to 335k
asciilifeform wiped out, off to bed
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu didja ever get your magic bitcoind synced again /
decimation: the irony being that it only applies to rhel 6.2, full of well known holes
asciilifeform: let the archaeologists concern themselves with them
decimation: the summary is that you gotta go through about 50 pages of 'rotor build instructions' to even start to reach the 'eal4' state
asciilifeform: i can't bring myself to even try to read this.
decimation: And then is heard no more: it is a tale