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asciilifeform: who tells that 'all will be well' if only you agree to limit net to tiny permissible set of stateful protocolz
asciilifeform: don't fall for the 'good cop'
asciilifeform: ddos only exists because of usg. as in, deliberate decision to route maladdressed packets, infrastructurally.
asciilifeform: and the way to avoid it is by resisting, unconditionally, any and all seemingly-reasonable suggestions by usg tools to constrict the permissible set of the net.
asciilifeform: the unfortunate place we're going to is where gossip packets can only be emitted, received, or routed by os that we personally issue; and will only travel on cables to and from mircea_popescu's house
asciilifeform: any protocol where someone gets something, anything more expensive than a bullet, for showing up at the gate,
decimation: and it's not exactly like it is hard to game the tcp state machine
asciilifeform: like the fucking orphan blox
decimation: pretending that you have a connection on a completely 'broadcast' media is fucktarded
asciilifeform: it is tcp which is the ultimate braindamage.
decimation: in fact, you need not put the true address of the recipient in the ip header as long as you can arrange to be somewhere to 'hear' it
decimation: udp can't be easily distinguished, and this is a gossipd-flavor
asciilifeform: what i'd really like to see is what mircea_popescu proposes i use for single-packet auth that 1) isn't udp 2) existing net will reliably route 3) existing os will agree to emit without any new code running as root
decimation: yes, ascii's wot-signed udp would be the first application for ip-to-namespace
asciilifeform: of the direct, unabashed kind
asciilifeform: it is also the foremost usg organ
asciilifeform: considering that ~every single phuctored key so far~ is dated june, or may even
lobbes: hmm, that is true
mircea_popescu: lobbes can you discern if he has a point, does the cache get 0'd out if it looks at a zero feed ?
asciilifeform: i know this because it is not spewing same thing every five minutes
decimation: which is why you need the entire state
asciilifeform: 'back' is 'item is in memory cache but now isn't there when i load, it must have un-happened'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's "back" when you don't keep time yo.
lobbes: it should use the url as a PK
mircea_popescu: yeah this scheme doesn't lend itself to much rss ing
asciilifeform: decimation: simply storing the last 20 or so would do it
lobbes: yeah, I think that is the problem, which it should be able to handle
decimation: the only sane way to track diffs would be to keep the entire history then
mircea_popescu: ok, so could it be that the lobbesbot sees new dates decides new articles ?
asciilifeform: i explained this in agonizing detail. it is in the log.
asciilifeform: there is ONLY time-submitted.
asciilifeform: there is no field in the db presently for 'time when phuctored'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you don't get to respecify rss eh
asciilifeform: lobbes: i warned many times that the dates on phuctor are meaningless
lobbes: but bot should still be able to handle
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so the rss feed is exactly identical pre and post restart. how would the bot know something changed then
lobbes: I do notice the dates change on phuctor RSS
asciilifeform: then diffs from this null set when it comes back.
asciilifeform: i suspect that lobbesbot has an elementary bug where it allows rss feed to ratchet backwards
mircea_popescu: does your restart fuck up the rss feed, such as by altering the dates it displays ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i haven't any notion as to ~why~
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so if i restart trilema, it doesn't pop them out again
asciilifeform: causes the replay.
mircea_popescu: so any idea what causes the replay ?
lobbes: aye, I'ma have to edit teh python
lobbes: well, I'm using the default 'supybot' RSS plugin
lobbes: williamdunne: if your bot can store teh history, feel free to take over. If not, then first one there wins, I guess ;/
mircea_popescu: could it just do the announcements once ?
lobbesbot: lobbes: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: same place the usable docs for bitcoin are.
asciilifeform: where is the boundschecking cpu ?
mircea_popescu: now make the economics work.
mircea_popescu: just as soon as the economics make sense, your x86 nemesis is gone. two years, tops.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: any idea why qntra snarfed my comment ? i tried posting again but i'm being told it's a "duplicate". somehow stuck in moderation ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there was no legacy lockin in bitcoin !
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform consider how rapidly bitcoin mining ditched the cpu, and then the gpu, to get a feel of just how unstable this domination you perceive is.
asciilifeform: trinque: i did this experiment, and found quite a few variations (machine version strings - srsly, wtf gcc ? an automated annihilator for these is a necessity) ; optimizations
trinque: might be interesting to inspect it and see what's different
asciilifeform: trinque: you will notice that gcc embeds turds
trinque: asciilifeform: I did a binary diff between your binary posted to the ML and mine using bsdiff; the result was about 60kb
mircea_popescu: there wasn't much in the way of sane transportation routes in the fronteer, either.
mircea_popescu: now that that curse's dead and buried, we can actually design this shit.
mircea_popescu: dja see the difference between "hmm, i intuit in my urine that x86 sucks" and "lolut, 120v?
asciilifeform: the situation of 'drivers', for instance, is quite analogous to situation where every block of flats has own voltage, frequency, and mains socket shape that the landlord felt like drawing on a napkin.
asciilifeform: just pointing out the incongruity of 'x86 is winner'
asciilifeform: it sticks around because 'market' is a braindead slave to its own past, like pregnant cow
asciilifeform: x86 'works' is perhaps the ultimate illusion.
mircea_popescu: one's a champ, the other's a hanger on.
mircea_popescu: nah. one sticks around because it works. the other because it's the best alternative. you don't like either of them, it's true, but that fact does not alter the reality.
lobbesbot: lobbes: Error: That's not a valid RSS feed command name.
asciilifeform: but they stick around for same reason
mircea_popescu: there's no alternative to x86 on the table.
mircea_popescu: x86 makes sense. 120 volt is trivially abstracted away by two step transformers.
mircea_popescu: not in the slightest.
mircea_popescu: i imagine as long as "9 volt batteries or hunt rats by candlelight" is the choice, there's going to be a lot of "9 volt" systems out there too.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ergo, for so long as anyone has the choice of '120v or hunt rats by candlelight', there will be 120v around
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, that's what it always means.
lobbesbot: lobbes: Error: That's not a valid RSS feed command name.
mircea_popescu: lmao check it out, liberia as well. that poor country.
asciilifeform: when extracting head from ass means 'you get to rebuild the things no one knows how to build now'
mircea_popescu: just because some colonies have mental issues it does not follow anything except that some colonists need to extract head from ass.
asciilifeform: what of it, is that this 'gift keeps on giving' even after washington is buried in the sand.
asciilifeform not certain whether this is actual problem there or not
asciilifeform was warned that he might encounter both american and civilized voltage in ar
mircea_popescu: all the world is on 220 you know.
mircea_popescu: oh, you mean for my brief stay there ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu had 240 run to his flat ?
mircea_popescu: raped-for-being-white is, i hear, a fact of life for the losers of the 3rd boer war
mircea_popescu: i'm sure all sorts of things are not daily curious to various troglodytes.
asciilifeform: which is precisely twice as probably on 120v as 240
asciilifeform: 120v is no mere curio to the folks in the u.s. or post-u.s. world whose cities burn on account of pinched-cable-and-too-many-amps
asciilifeform: the times prior to mains current don't count.
mircea_popescu: might be what, the 12th time maybe
mircea_popescu: amusingly, this happens with some regularity in history
asciilifeform: some kinds of damage - stick around, long after the antlers have grown with grass.
mircea_popescu: because too thick to understand it.
mircea_popescu: they're just broadly speaking acultural and unseflwarare enough, unlike the romans, so they don't spend three centuries waxing poetic over this understood situation
asciilifeform: recall the thread re: the 120 mains voltage ?
mircea_popescu: all the diddling it's gonna do, it mostly did already.
asciilifeform: everybody gets 'ozymandiased' in the end.