430700+ entries in 0.291s
trinque: does it
then write all messages
to
the db
then start processing
them?
decimation: heh.
there's several
threads running simultaneously
trinque: in my mental model of
this
thing
there are not 40k
things needing
to be locked anywhere
trinque: but what collides in bitcoind,
these are
transaction records?
decimation: folks can't be bothered
to actually
think about how
to design
things without collisions
decimation: trinque: yeah
this is standard for 'threaded' code
trinque: I mean in
that case infinite locks are best
BingoBoingo: trinque: It seemed like a safer number
than
the one
that wedged before
trinque: because
that didn't cut it
mats: 'dual EC: a standardized backdoor' by djb,
tanja lange, ruben niederhagen
trinque: like... what's
the cost of making
the
threads just *not bump into each other* vs using locks because "that's what you do with concurrent code" ?
punkman: danielpbarron: which node is
that?
trinque: ben_vulpes: what's
the
thing even locking?
trinque: same
thing done here with locks is probably also
trivially represented by a nullable foreign key
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: And
the one
two later apparently set another
danielpbarron: apparently
this block set
the record for number of
transactions included
trinque strives
to imagine what could actually need
to lock 40k records in a db
BingoBoingo: So it's more "non-deterministic behavior" and 40,000 probably just wasn't enough DB locks and objects
to fix it
danielpbarron: the gnomes figured out a magic amount of bytes
that got accepted by some but not all, except it seems
their beloved bc.i got caught in
the fire
BingoBoingo: I doubt IBM is running anything other
than OS/370 on
them
decimation: hopefully
this will influence apple
to
turn osx into a more adult unix, but I wouldn't hold my breath
assbot: IBM
to Purchase Up
to 200,000 Macs Annually, With 50-75% of Employees Ultimately Switching From Lenovo - Mac Rumors ... (
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trinque: punkman: if it makes you feel better,
the guy
that yelled at me re:
trannies, and which wrote
tenyks, lost 130 odd btc
that way
punkman: but
then you
take a walk and it comes back
to you
punkman: the realization
this
trove of data is forever lost, sinking in
punkman: that gut wrenching feeling after you
try 30 variations of an infrequently used password...
trinque: punkman: hey he says
they should be secure, so
they should be
punkman: "Why don't you use short keys?
They scale better"
trinque: at least with religious magical
thinking it's anchored
to a book.
trinque: breaking
the social contract lol
punkman: "There is now a pull request
to remove mention of "zero or low fees", "fast international payments", and "instant peer-to-peer
transactions" from bitcoin.org. For
those non-technical users who do not read source code,
this may come across as
the breaking of
the social contract on what Bitcoin is ultimately intended
to be."
trinque: then from
the other angle, maybe she looked great in
that dress, and
the neckbeards couldn't
take
the heat
trinque: and stop waiting for someone
to accept you
trinque: "She went back home
that night really frustrated and flustered."
mircea_popescu: if i fuck her i get off, no exceptions ; if i follow her recipe i get a build - no exceptions.
this is what it should be.
mircea_popescu: i've had enough of boy coding
to last me five generations of myself.
mircea_popescu: that's what i would like it
to mean. "this was coded by a girl" should be
the indication
that if i follow
the fucking
thing, i get
the intended result. NOT some error message.
mircea_popescu: ie, it
takes you longer, perhaps infinitely long,
to mature.
mircea_popescu: girlhood's something you hopefully grow out of. failure
to grow out of it is
the definition of retardation.
mircea_popescu: no dude, not heartbreakingly.
the only human dumb enough
to imagine girlhood's right is
the girl in question.
mircea_popescu: "Heartbreakingly, at some age, we become convinced
that doing anything like a girl means
that you are doing it ineffectively, wimpily, and in a way
that can’t be
taken seriously at all."
trinque: mircea_popescu:
that show up on your doorstep?
mircea_popescu: was just going after
the math angle of it for a second
danielpbarron: but we need
the explored resources anyway; it's not like i'm wasting
time doing somethign i wouldn't have done otherwise
mircea_popescu: for bonus points, offer preference criterion (would A or B be more beneficial if added
to
the set)
danielpbarron: i plug in a few numbers into equation, solve for x, paste my macro x-many
times, let it run while i do other stuff
mircea_popescu: in practice
the mix operation is cheap and
the decay operation expensive.
mircea_popescu: (the problem, ftr, is : you get a set of
tools, with arbitrary durability. you can mix any set (which floor-averages), and decay any individual
tool (fixed rate). make a collection of 9 with durabilities from 1
to 9)
BingoBoingo: My favorite part of reading my debug.log is getting
to see all
the
transactions
that don't make it
to
the mempool
danielpbarron: it
took me a day of
thinking about it off and on
to come up with
phf: i misread
that as "couch", was not surprised
mircea_popescu: actually
this'd prollybe interesting
to our very own gabriel_laddel
too.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron you got
the actual function
to select optimal usage/mixage of
tools given a set ?
mircea_popescu: well, asciilifeform would say it is, sure. but
there's levels in
triviality.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron prolly should publishe
the whole
thing monday. it's not a
trivial math problem
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu> danielpbarron so you actually got
the
tools for sunday ? << i got 9 axes and 9 hoes and i'm just now working on adzes (which require a slightly different method)
mircea_popescu: in fact - pretty much everything in
the "received knowledge" of jews is hysterically counter-realistic
to anyone who has you know, actually
travelled.
mircea_popescu: amusingly,
the jew, coptic and muslim groups crossed borders,
too!
punkman: so if Hearn
trusts in
the Gospel of Satoshi, why isn't he running 0.1 or 0.5.3? "No it wasn't.
That is something you invented yourself much later. "Small devices" isn't even defined anywhere, so
there can't have been any such understanding.
The actual understanding was
the opposite. Satoshi's words: ..."
mircea_popescu: and seeiong how
their lyra was at
the
time ~a quarter, i expect
they got
the value of
txn just about precisely enough
to be usable in bitcoin
decimation: I suppose cooperating in
this way,
the whole
town is 'walmart'
mircea_popescu: and
the other guy would sell me whatever and
then pass
the original guy a bill or
two.
mircea_popescu: i'd go into a shop, ask for something. shop owner would run me off
to a different shop (i kid you not, leave his
thing, wide open, whatever - nobody steals in arabworld apparently)
mircea_popescu: one of
the funniest
things i saw in egypt was
the following
thing :
decimation: I suppose
the 'market' will just be what happens naturally as folks shop around for reliable nodes
BingoBoingo: Oh
test node with megalocks is now at 367863
decimation: it's more like it's 1906 in
the aircraft business
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron so you actually got
teh
tools for sunday ?
mircea_popescu: frenchie gets it quite exactly, we're at
that creepy stalking phase atm
decimation: but I'm not sure how
to do it without introducing more centralization
decimation: re:
tx fees & relays: it would be interesting if
there could be some kind of market for fees
cazalla: ah shit, danielpbarron beat me
to it
BingoBoingo: Seems likely. I'm just wondering what
this crud is
that wedged just now.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i doubt
the scamfoundation/obsolete bitcoind will be resurectable on
the mid
term.
punkman: Q: Is
there a Django Girls for men? A:
There doesn't seem
to be a need for Django Boys at
the moment.
BingoBoingo: K, moar locks doesn't seem
to be fixing wedge
trinque: that
there are "stuck" human states *necessitates*
the beatings
trinque: certainly not from within,
that's for sure.
trinque: how could you possibly exit
that state?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo not clear yet. << Well just a few minutes until my pure blockchain finishes copying
to safety so I can
test something
mircea_popescu: "The ability
to answer all sorts of questions in a beginner-friendly way (even if
that means
the explanation isn’t
technically precise)"
trinque: punkman: how in
the fuck do you
think without judging?
punkman: "Make sure
their experience is positive and
that
they have fun. Do not judge, be helpful and appreciate
their (in-)abilities."
mircea_popescu: dirty in
the eyes of
the hunchback protestant microgod.
mircea_popescu: sad
that
they've gotten us girls so ashamed of cupcakes by now it gotta be a "tasting", it can't be just you know, EATING
BingoBoingo backing up blockchain, going
to see if doubling DB locks fixes anything