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mircea_popescu: kinda hard to manipulate the 24 hour average.
mircea_popescu: and in any event it's better than bitcoinica-style forced liquidation event.
mircea_popescu: so it has to be really down not just spot down
mircea_popescu: it does use the 24 hour avg price tho
mircea_popescu: possibly.
mircea_popescu: which is why people were lolling at people who lost their stuff in bitcoinica.
mircea_popescu: so in this sense it can work as leverage, even as high as 10`000%
mircea_popescu: yup
mircea_popescu: if you buy 1 btc at 24, then you risk 24. if you buy 1 btc synthetically via an option at 8, you risk only the 8.
mircea_popescu: he paid the extra whatever , 50 cents, a dollar, to insure his 17 capital out of the 24 against the possibility of loss
mircea_popescu: because if they go down you lose.
mircea_popescu: options contain a premium obviously. being options.
mircea_popescu: knotwork yes.
mircea_popescu: now it's worth 10 bucks each, +400%
mircea_popescu: back when btc was about 14/each an option struck at 15 would have cost about .15 btc say, roughly, so like 2 dollars.
mircea_popescu: indeed.
mircea_popescu: so 3 accounts
mircea_popescu: you end up with an account plan doing a. btc buying slippage gain/loss ; b. overtime btc gain/loss ; c. option entry/exit gain/loss
mircea_popescu: etc
mircea_popescu: then when you do options value btc in then-current vwap and add difference to acct
mircea_popescu: then do vwap price when you buy, actual price you bought at
mircea_popescu: mjr_ the excruciatingly precise way to do it would be to keep separate accounts.
mircea_popescu: (value of decision to buy btc + value of decision to buy option) together
mircea_popescu: that yields a consolidated sort of gain
mircea_popescu: and yes it is.
mircea_popescu: first off
mircea_popescu: mjr_ well you have to decide if you keep books in btc or not
mircea_popescu: and so you made 0.43 btc PER
mircea_popescu: if btc goes to 36 it's worth 0
mircea_popescu: take O.BTCUSD.P350T. you can sell it now for 0.43102778
mircea_popescu: you do make a lot when it goes up
mircea_popescu: knotwork if you sell puits short
mircea_popescu: consequently, hedging is both responsible and required.
mircea_popescu: however people feel is irrelevant. we don't know for a fact nor is there any clear mathematical proof that btc only goes up.
mircea_popescu: this is not the case.
mircea_popescu: this question presuposes that one's state of mind is more important than reality.
mircea_popescu: haha this is rich : lowtax joins btctalk https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=22158
mircea_popescu: Bowjob yeah, most middle eastern languages are like that.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate eskimobob -10 #bitcoin-asset's premier angry clueless noob. Prolly a scammer per https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101902.msg1516695#msg1516695
mircea_popescu: heh that's not accurate is it.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate eskimobob -10 Never interacted with the guy. Prolly a scammer per https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101902.msg1516695#msg1516695
mircea_popescu: ;;rate fbastage -10 Never interacted with the guy. Prolly a scammer per https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101902.msg1516695#msg1516695
mircea_popescu: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:756619e2969805ca04cc00f67579d291c815df246f20807f9c7515ea
mircea_popescu: doh ?!
mircea_popescu: ;;rate fbastage -10 Never interacted with the guy. Prolly a scammer per https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101902.msg1516695#msg1516695
mircea_popescu: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:756619e2969805ca04cc00f67579d291c815df246f20807f9c7515ea
mircea_popescu: ;;eauth mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: heh the amusements continue i see
mircea_popescu: haha literally basement dwellers ?
mircea_popescu: but yes, seems it's 90% a canada thing
mircea_popescu: hey. learn something new everyday
mircea_popescu: i thought condo-ing was a sort of upscale affair
mircea_popescu: these seriously exist ?!
mircea_popescu: 1 bedroom condos ?!
mircea_popescu: hey kakobreklaa, would it be possible for assbot to have a !last x y which'd replay the last trade of y on x ?
mircea_popescu: i'd much rather just walk in a town than on a pasture.
mircea_popescu: i dont like golf.
mircea_popescu: lol noty.
mircea_popescu: i forget what all is on the list.
mircea_popescu: saving da planet, and whales
mircea_popescu: a, and the various craps du jour. helping fags, women, niggers etc.
mircea_popescu: but with equal faith in collectivism, being nice and whatnot
mircea_popescu: they're basically a buncha bitcoiners w/o bitcoin
mircea_popescu: but nothing substantial.
mircea_popescu: well... so far buncha sa selfowning
mircea_popescu: i'll prolly be having dinners at the white house, if tht happens
mircea_popescu: 30 looks possible.
mircea_popescu: or is it ?
mircea_popescu: prolly too late by now
mircea_popescu: well, shoulda coulda woulda...
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
mircea_popescu: i love bitcoin, it fucks over people's sleep.
mircea_popescu: sleep tight
mircea_popescu: this has to be the last word in libertard lmao
mircea_popescu: http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/02/11/cnn-anchor-blames-asteroid-on-global-warming/
mircea_popescu: ya
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1650 / 31
mircea_popescu: what's gold atm, 1650 ?
mircea_popescu: also gold grams aren't really priced anywherew
mircea_popescu: prolly lazy
mircea_popescu: 31.1
mircea_popescu: so practically grams yea
mircea_popescu: it's per 1/31th of ounce
mircea_popescu: hence interesting
mircea_popescu: atm its 2:3
mircea_popescu: per 31ths of ounce comex price
mircea_popescu: that's a pretty interestin bet...
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/225/bitcoin-to-surpass-gold-value-in-2013/
mircea_popescu: lol kinda cool.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bugpowder http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/02/11/article-2276884-17841A9A000005DC-22_634x815.jpg
mircea_popescu: ;;help
mircea_popescu: gribble is
mircea_popescu: sort of thing
mircea_popescu: !ticker m s.mpoe
mircea_popescu: pretty much what it does is
mircea_popescu: i don't think assbot has a help implemented.
mircea_popescu: gabridome what are you trying to do ?
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/13606324795.jpg have a prize