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ascii_field: yes, i agree with mircea_popescu re: how patches should embed hash of antecedent file. and imho
this solves whatever problem exists (that is, enables it
to be solved locally by any participant, in
the style he prefers)
jurov: so you still not understand what's
this all about?
ascii_field: colour me
thick, but i still don't get where
the 'crisis' is
mod6: so before I say "yup,
that's it,
that's
the
thing
that gets us
to where we want
to be", i want
to fully understand what I'm agreeing
to use.
☟︎☟︎ mod6: <+jurov> mod6 please look at bigget picture, nto jsut
to
this one step << i
think partly ... my general concern is my understanding of how
this proposed system would work.
this concern is based on
the fact
that when
the current system was proposed, i had
the oppertunity
to speak out and put in my say in
the matter, but I didn't understand it so I don't
think I objected very much. and now look at where we are.
jurov: or if someone come up with less
turdy format
than MIME
jurov: maybe we end up all using a script
to put
the package
together and sign it.. but in
this case it can just output an email message
to be just fed
to sendmail
mod6: and if
those proposed steps are easier/better
than what we currently hvae.
mod6: i guess im just
trying
to picture in my mind how i would have
to use, step by step,
the proposed system every single day.
mod6: other
than what I already
talked about and
that's not really better either.
mod6: good question. not sure
that i have any useful answers here at
this
time.
jurov: question is, how
to do
this all better?
jurov: and metadata what
the patch applies on
jurov: turdatron needs
to
take bundles of patch + manifest (at least, can be any other files aside from patches)
punkman: 30 pages in, "Ada for Software Engineers",
the code examples look gnarly
mod6: i'd like
to make something better,
this is for sure. just whatever it is, i wanna know
that it is better, not just sideways.
jurov: mod6 please look at bigget picture, nto jsut
to
this one step
n6: thanks, I'm going
to
try and get
this
to work and come back
mod6: jurov:
to me
thats an extra step... is
that what we're all prepared
to live with?
mod6: gnupg
tries
to escape lines
that begin with a dash
mod6: as you can see clearsign mangles
the
text: - --- a/rotor.sh .... - -../dist/configure
n6: I'm already in
the wot just have
to auth.
n6: ben_vulpes: what more welcoming
then support for free?
ben_vulpes: n6: d'you plan
to get into
the wot as well?
mod6: it still doesn't help me view a base64 encoded submission
to
the deedbot
mod6: and /patch.html imho should not draw off of just any submission, only signed submissions from ben, myself and
the author.
ben_vulpes: n6: i understand
that
this is not a welcome message.
n6: I will
try
that,
thanks.
ben_vulpes: i recommend spinning up an aws gentoo instance. i've given up on macos support for
this project.
mod6: punkman: <+mod6> <+ben_vulpes>
there's always /patches.html... << sure if it's readable. <+mod6> what about for unsigned new submissions?
mod6: punkman:
taking it back
to
the earlier premise.
mod6: and
there are 75`000 people and 50 submissions per day?
mod6: <+ben_vulpes>
there's always /patches.html... << sure if it's readable.
danielpbarron: deedbot isn't where you go
to read it all; it's where you go
to verify it all
punkman: I just mentioned it as an easy way
to make deeds out of patches
mod6: that's fine, but what if I just wanna look
through
the submitted patches in deedbot? i now have
to do a bunch of extra gyrations
to even see
the
text
ben_vulpes: mod6: not
that my browser will do anything with
the patch files but download
them.
mod6: and i
thought
that was kinda one of
the requirements.
mod6: see, we could uu encode stuff or gzip stuff or do any number of
things, but
then it's far less readable "as-is"
danielpbarron: what about
this: gzip
the patch and clearsign
that
punkman: yeah it's a base64 blob
that includes file and signature when you --sign --armor
trinque: and
then yeah decrypt on
the other end
mod6: danielpbarron: we're not
talking about encryed docs
mod6: i've been
thinking alot about
the ML issues
that have been brought up lately. and lastnight I bascially came up with: Mailing list A: for all submissions
testing or experimental or otherwise.. Mailing list B: for accepted, signed and released patches, in order. And jurov's /patch.html (or w/e its called) should draw from
there.
ben_vulpes: we're just exploring
the possibility space here
trinque: was merely saying I am willing
to put in
the work *should* deedbot- be some part of it
trinque: I gotta depart
to a meeting, but
to summarize I have no strong opinion
that deedbot is
the solution
mod6: ascii_field: im simply referring
to
the converstaion from
this morning
ascii_field: even worse, imho, in every respect,
than ml
trinque: thought gpg could wad a sig and a file
together in other ways
than clearsign
mod6: will deedbot
take 2 parameters, a non-signed .patch file and a detached signature and somehow colese
them?
mod6: trinque: i
think it's awesome :]
trinque: mod6: heh I did
the site with a nod
to
the foundation's
mod6: now, it might be
that I'm not exactly understanding what
the proceedure for submitting
to deed bot would be. but if clearsigned .patch files,
that can not work.
☟︎☟︎ mod6: if our idea is
to clearsign patches and
then submit
them
to deedbot, i urge you all
to review
this email and consider why
that doesn't work:
☟︎ mod6: i also like how it lines up
the signatures
to a specific hash horizontally
mod6: and I like
the site, and
the bitchin motif
punkman: "Like any contract,
the Ada Referebce Manual is written in very precise language, and
the
term ‘language lawyer’ is often used for people who are experts at interpreting
the document."
ascii_field: written by, of all people, fella claiming
to be former lead programmer of ukraine central bank...
ascii_field: actually,
the best book i have so far is in ru
ascii_field: anyone seriously into
the subject will also want
the 'standard' and 'rationale' documents.
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: nope, i haven't digitized copies of
these. but doesn't hurt
to look around
ascii_field: 'Ada 95:
The Lovelace
Tutorial.' David A. Wheeler << probably
the most n00bish
punkman: I'm also
tempted
to go with Ada 2005 so I can have all
teh unicodez
punkman: gernika, my beard being short, I'm looking for something closer
to "Ada for dummies"
mod6: ;;later
tell hanbot ping me when you get a chance plz.
thx!
gernika: punkman - I have
the Ada 95 reference manual. Seems
thorough. Also you can print out a copy of
the GNAT User's Guide at Kinkos - which I've also done. Haven't actually made any progress in reading it but... Seems good by looking at
TOC.
punkman: I grabbed a random Ada book last week, it was awful. need
to look again
danielpbarron: I also like
the idea of a webpage (maybe a wiki)
that organizes it all, linking
to
the deeded content of course
assbot: Logged on 05-08-2015 14:45:46; mircea_popescu: also i'd like
to keep
this conversation open, for all
the folks whose
time is not day atm yet.
ascii_field: if wrong about
this, will have
to merge by hand, and
there is no going around
this
ascii_field: punkman: depends on who you
think is 'longest chain'
punkman: a question
that future patch submitters might have: should I patch against last release or most active branch?
danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, I don't recognize
those names you mentioned earlier
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ben_vulpes: let me restart
the
thing and grab
the whole bootup log for inspection
ascii_field: ben_vulpes:
the debug.log fragment you pasted does not reveal
the cause of your jam
punkman: but I'm guessing as
to patch order, branches, etc
BingoBoingo: ;;later
tell pete_dushenski You should see it when
the DDoS abates
assbot: Logged on 05-08-2015 15:24:59; punkman: I don't want another VCS system. I just need a way
to import patches in my existing VCS.
ascii_field: if someone was wondering how
the system could ever be made ~less~ n00b-friendly -
this'd be it..
assbot: Logged on 05-08-2015 15:03:16; mircea_popescu:
the biggest headache
to date for jurov/users of ml seems
to have been
the mailing itself. i wonder how much sense simply deedbotting messages would make.