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punkman: so one thing that hasn't been mentioned, does trb even replace transactions when new one comes in with higher fee?
assbot: Logged on 02-03-2016 16:20:40; mircea_popescu: the protocol is that 0 fee txn can't even be relayed.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla hey, "spam protection", i didn't write it.
kakobrekla: 0 fee txn can't even be relayed. < this is not true
mircea_popescu: the protocol is that 0 fee txn can't even be relayed. ☟︎
PeterL: who didn't report it?
mircea_popescu: except they didn't report it ?
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 23:32:18; mircea_popescu: i personally think the only reason it's not mined yet is that there hasn't been a block.
PeterL: weren't you already talking about setting up your own pool?
PeterL: I guess I can't complain too much about this bitbet blunder, the "extra winnings" I got from the bet was higher than my proportion of the loss as a bitbet shareholder (unless this tanks the share price too)
mircea_popescu: no, i don't expect such nonsense.
jurov: ;;later tell ben_vulpes till the cache hasn't cleared, use http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp?v=0.5.3.1 instead
mircea_popescu: "the network will be safe because the miners won't shit in the soup because they'll be too afraid of the public reaction"
mircea_popescu: doesn't it mean "shift bits by this many" ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Haven't really noticed it yet
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes understand, this isn't a field that takes well to distribution.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin got a problem, and it ain't no stinkin' "scalability". au contraire.
mircea_popescu: samsung ? the fabled garage miner that hasn't existed since 2013 ?
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-03-2016#1419829 << with phf's patch (are you going to post that to the ML or shall i?), my post-clean compile takes 1m 16s << im not aware of phf's patch. i did recompile with shiva when it was first introduced, didn't add or subtract any compile time as far as I could tell. ☝︎
mod6: ah cool - yeah maybe post in here at some point. builders may fnd it helpful if they haven't made their own already.
jurov: BingoBoingo: In my reports I prefer to have duplicate numbers instead of omitting, so that I'm sure I don't forget something.
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
mircea_popescu: nah, usg doesn't figure into this as much as a prince albert.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1419616 << i have hated them since t=0 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform pretty much. i don't see what else is there. this is the fabled hour of reckoning, best i can tell
mircea_popescu: i can't comprehend what you're trying to argue here. you're roughly in the position of a prison warden facing an empty cell and a hole in the wall going "hey, water infiltration can sometimes make holes in walls"
mircea_popescu: you don't see nasdaq data straight, but with half hour delay
mircea_popescu: so a tx is broadcast, saturday. it doesn't even register.
mircea_popescu: as long as the competitor isn't mined, what's the hurry ?
mircea_popescu: doesn't need to be in the next one. understand how miner collusion works.
mircea_popescu: i personally think the only reason it's not mined yet is that there hasn't been a block. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: but spending doesn't, actually, work.
mircea_popescu: if spending worked, the problem wouldn't exist in the first place.
punkman: gotta try to spend/move the old inputs to be sure old transaction doesn't suddenly reappear
mircea_popescu: once a transaction that DIDN'T spend the same inputs was announced and confirmed, the OLD transactions were somehow found, and are now broadcast.
mircea_popescu: aite just make sure some silly tidbit doesn't get lost and we find ourselves stranded
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu himself taught us, 'dont't be poorfag'
mircea_popescu: just like medicine doesn't work.
mircea_popescu: elementary : because it doesn't work.
mircea_popescu: skilled labour is hwat a carpenter does. he has 7 tools and 3 types of wood, and an absolute guarantee that his fucking board isn't going to spontaneously turn to marmalade.
mircea_popescu: a nothing! i can't as much as have someone to clean the fucking floors.
mircea_popescu: but on the other hand - i can't fucking hire people for the love of everfuck. there is no such thing as a lowly bank clerk in bitcoin. everyone must be at above-phd level of tech awareness - yea, i know that doesn't cut it to be in b-a, fine, fuck you all, there are STILL 100k phds spewed out the world over who think themselves as they add to the pool of millions floating around that they are pdh-level! -
trinque: I don't mind getting ya rsync, will have to be this evening
mircea_popescu: whether you are or aren't : the notion that what nadia heninger did is in any way related to what nadia heninger "got" is the core and the root of cargo cultism.
assbot: Logged on 18-05-2015 19:48:18; ascii_field: 'It doesn't work when Nadia Heninger goes to sell Phuctor before Stanford - Nadia Heninger doesn't own Phuctor, and the actual owners are very much present and very much capable to bitchslap her into oblivion.' << actually, 'crime pays.' chick gets a phd and cushy sinecure, etc.
asciilifeform: 'it doesn't matter and we had it first!11111'
asciilifeform: the original ssl-'phuctor'-no-we-won't-publish-the-data folks, incidentally.
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 14:04:40; mircea_popescu: $30 a night ?! such can't be had in all of buenos aires.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1419128 << i won't be surprised if a few trillions end up sunk into propping it up ☝︎
jurov: logs aren't so bulky I hope
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1418972 << isn't there a 'don't feed the animals' sign hanging somewhere above them ? ☝︎
jurov: !t m s.qntr
jurov: !t m x.eur
assbot: Um, shouldn't you be with your own tribe or somethin'?
jurov: !t m f.mpif
phf: ben_vulpes: i don't ever touch dependencies, so 40s for a full rebuilt
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: I don't even know what people are revolting about anymore. It's like watching #occupy wall street with BTC
mircea_popescu: trump didn't actually beat inflation, let alone the s&p.
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 09:15:43; ben_vulpes: probably more crowded than anything mircea_popescu engages in willingly, and i don't even like it.
jurov: and actually, this chan isn't much about trading anymore
SuchWow: no i don't
mircea_popescu: which is fine and good - by now it's obvious it's cheaper to kill it on technical grounds rather than financial seeing how nsa can print money but can't really hire anyone but indians and idiots for the life of it.
SuchWow: then how can we say it is or isn't
SuchWow: tdon't really know
mircea_popescu: well, if it did or if it didn't, it's not like the case of ethereum in any sense.
SuchWow: did the gov't have anything to do with creation of btc?
mircea_popescu: i can't say i'm not flattered nsa's trying their idea of "the mp approach", but in the famed words of knight, "get the fuck off the horse!"
SuchWow: and i think sanders won't be 'permitted' 'able' to win
mircea_popescu: i didn't even bet, myself. but i think it's pretty much on the money.
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 09:04:23; cazalla: i get more cuddles and kisses, but he only turns the tears on if mum leaves, not when dad goes out, doesn't seem to care as much
mircea_popescu: $30 a night ?! such can't be had in all of buenos aires. ☟︎
SuchWow: that it's day 3-4 and i'm litearlly in my hotel room chatting on irc because this place just ain't what it used to be lol
SuchWow: i certainly don't claim that there was any logic to the decision, but if you've seen #freenode lately, and ANNs, a lot has changed around here recently
SuchWow: because of client, didn't realize wasn't sending
SuchWow: didn't want to retype a paraphrase, sry
SuchWow: [08:49:46] <SuchWow> (just as you literally don't know me, at all lol)
SuchWow: [08:49:16] <SuchWow> (i won't pretend to act like i know you because, i don't)
SuchWow: [08:48:40] <SuchWow> mircea_popescu: you guys are so pompous lol...i haven't been involved in crypto, trading or otherwise, for almost 2 year. Doge seems to fine, still has a small community (moreso than litecoin anyways), and i've been watching crypto in general just for fun. Eth seems interesting, but still not convinced.
SuchWow: so didn't realize my response wasn't going through lol. i
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1418803 sadly, i don't really have any trb workflow. except that i sit down on it for few days once few months ☝︎
ben_vulpes: probably more crowded than anything mircea_popescu engages in willingly, and i don't even like it. ☟︎
SuchWow: wasn't there some thing where the algo was gonna force POW to stop and switch to POS even tho no POS algo had been invented yet
SuchWow: yeah pre-sale woulda been nice, but i don't blame myself one bit for not buying the hype
SuchWow: cazalla: that's reasonable. i don't really either, it's just that it's been hard to NOT hear about that one over the last year
cazalla: SuchWow, i don't really follow altcoins, so many of them, so many failures, bitcoin remains #1 despite all the 2.0 shit that has been promised to topple it all these years
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 16:20:52; punkman: terminal: just salty that we didn't buy mp's cheap eth
cazalla: i get more cuddles and kisses, but he only turns the tears on if mum leaves, not when dad goes out, doesn't seem to care as much ☟︎
ben_vulpes: well i'm just having a conversation with an old friend i haven't seen in a few weeks, but thanks for getting involved!
ben_vulpes: yeah, i saw the second go through, but i don't think there's a guarantee that *you* did the second one.
botneko-chan: I'm using bitcoin and like it, but wasn't tracking fork-related discussions before someone payd for DDoS'ing Classic
asciilifeform: it means that the crud doesn't affect the valid payloads.
asciilifeform: but doesn't work as well as i'd like, not line speed (uses dumb bignum)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i have a (unpublished, for good reasons) prototype that doesn't have 'kernel' or 'userland' at all, but just this bare metal thing that sets up the nic ring buffer (coreboot payload) and loops, checks rsa, retransmits on other nic...
ben_vulpes: the only line i have for coworkers and plebs on this topic is "you haven't thought for half a second why the /nsa/ didn't bring this suit?"
mircea_popescu: where this comparison breaks down is that your biology is fundamentally cunt-based and perl-run. you necessarily respirate the ddt. meanwhile, your mental life is supposed to be hermetic and under your control. you shouldn't fucking respirate the environment wtf.
asciilifeform: it isn't ~wrong~, merely annoying.
mircea_popescu: heck, isn't the whole v system technically speaking just this ?
mircea_popescu: in other news, til i learned that the criteria for "fridge big enough" is : if one discrete item won't fit, push. if it now fits, fridge is big enough. if it still won't fit, "wtf is with these tiny-ass euro style fridges already!!1"
assbot: Logged on 11-01-2016 05:13:29; phf: the goal was to run it on a libretto and try to eat the first couple of blocks, but it wouldn't even connect to rpc for whatever reason, so i gave up on the whole distraction
mircea_popescu: besides, as per satoshi's argument ("no, don't bring it on"), might not be the smartest thing in the world to give drepper incentive to exist on bsd anyway