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williamdunne: I think you might be right
fluffypony: wouldn't it just be thcoopbot?
williamdunne: Although evidently he doesn't quite understand the concept of a private message yet
williamdunne: He replies to every message with dick
williamdunne: Scthoopbot isn't very inspiring at the moment. Just doing it as my hello lisp project
asciilifeform: and sure, go and scoop ocean out with a thimble. but doing it ~quickly~ is another matter.
asciilifeform: (will a typical tx, much less block, even fit in the 64k address space ?)
asciilifeform: have fun verifying blocks in <10M on that trs.
asciilifeform: but this does not magick away the problem of ~on what to develop~.
asciilifeform: and yes, one can turn bitcoind into a kernel of sorts. (you cannot use a linux kernel as a base for this. to understand why, read src for kmalloc, etc.)
shinohai: Or, I could fire up the trs-80 and attempt to fit it all on cassette tape/
asciilifeform: but if you want to use bitcoin - suddenly there are all kinds of hard constraints
asciilifeform: if you want to play 'rogue', you can use whatever iron you found in old university dumpster, yes
asciilifeform: it turned into a pathetically shabby imitation linux
asciilifeform: the latter runs on actual hardware which you may be able to find - but NO LONGER FITS IN BOOK
asciilifeform: compare minix2 to minix3
punkman: if you notice, only a few of the things need explicit UTF8 support there
asciilifeform: as it is, unix is dead, and we will come to regret keeping it on life support this way.
asciilifeform: what ~i~ would like is a modern unix that FITS IN A FUCKING BOOK like the sysv5 in 'the lions book'
asciilifeform: 'tis a 'hole through which the night leaks in'
asciilifeform: depressing that they're doing utf
mod6: asciilifeform: im with you there.
punkman: I like that there's a column named "Finished"
asciilifeform: imho ought to go in some kind of logical order - iirc most folks don't even have rotor working yet.
assbot: sbase - suckless unix tools ... ( http://bit.ly/1f2cQJs )
punkman: http://git.suckless.org/sbase/tree/README their busybox replacement
mod6: oh. ok. you want to us to try it on the new thing they're working on, or exisitng, or both and compare?
asciilifeform: in favour of something else that they wrote
asciilifeform: mod6: iirc they are dispensing with it entirely
asciilifeform: would be interesting to learn whether this actually lives peacefully with any existing proggy
mod6: awe shoot, realized i gotta wait until later tonight for ubuntu 14.04 test. my bad.
asciilifeform: seems as if they are even abolishing 'busybox' in favour of something 'fits-in-head'-flavoured
asciilifeform: has anyone tried the 'suckless' linux ?
trinque: would I think mostly be a change of the STAGE3 line
asciilifeform: give it to mircea_popescu, i think he was having problems coming up with a gentoo
mod6: i guess i could try now on 14.04 LTS
trinque: asciilifeform: btw, here is the gentoo bootstrap script so far http://dpaste.com/27W35K9
shinohai: Ubuntu was on the shittiest box I could find.
asciilifeform: prolly ought to have done this myself to begin with
asciilifeform: try turning the gcc knob to some much earlier ver.
asciilifeform: what happened to reasonable linux ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: where the fuck do you people get these things ?!
asciilifeform: mod6: hard to say, but his environment is loudly and profanely defective
ben_vulpes: lovely, thanks world
ben_vulpes: <ben_vulpes> will now have to throw everything out and recompile buildroot, no?<< so then yes
asciilifeform: (complain to gcc folks, not me. absolute path crud in just about everything...) ☟︎
asciilifeform: oh and don't every try to move'em
ben_vulpes: will now have to throw everything out and recompile buildroot, no?
ben_vulpes: put buildroot in the wrong place.
ben_vulpes: i *did* notice that bit
asciilifeform: rotor.sh, if you notice, sets up environment such that ~they~ and not your local system's are used for the builds
asciilifeform: this covers gcc and libc (musl in the provided config)
ben_vulpes: well this explains a few thigs
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the 1) binaries 2) headers which magick into existence when buildroot is built
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform and what ends up in toolchain?
asciilifeform: mats: 'worth billions' in the usg empire has nothing to do with money, but with 'noble, aryan' blood
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: my root dir contains: buildroot-2015.05 stator toolchain
assbot: 16 firms worth billions even though they lose millions - Jan. 23, 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mj1Wxx )
mats: http://money.cnn.com/2015/01/23/investing/shazam-tech-startups-lose-money TIL
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: is the untarred buildroot intended to live in toolchain or in the root of the rotor directory?
shinohai: Try the new test script. So easy a redditard *might* could build it.
jurov: mircea_popescu: pls to mpex
mod6: funkenstein_: ok this is a new one for me. what are the detalis: debian 8, x86-64... ok. is this with the rotor/stator hand build from ascii's guide with tea? or my thing I just posted a bit a go rotor-TEST2.sh?
funkenstein_: if anyone still working the nursery, here's me failing to build buildroot on debian8: http://dpaste.com/0FXN1D4
funkenstein_: get to the rotor!
mod6: yea, i think this all is about to get easier.
ben_vulpes is having trouble keeping all of the moving parts for this thing in head at once.
mod6: (14:54) <+asciilifeform> btw rsync should be abolished when we mod the thing to stop pulling from the net
mod6: buildroot uses it to pull stuff it needs.
ben_vulpes: how did rsync get in there?
mod6: All: If you are going to build the rotor-TEST2.sh on debian be advised that you may need the following installed: build-essential curl unzip python bc rsync
asciilifeform: good practice for when it is time for the one time pads, too.
asciilifeform: (enough of us have met in the meat)
asciilifeform: we are nearing the point where hashless pubkey distribution is practical
asciilifeform: get yer keys from a) the horse's mouth b) someone you've personally met who met (a)
mod6: thanks tho
mod6: kakobrekla: it needs a bit of cleanup before we're through
asciilifeform: i dare say that recv-keys is an evil
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asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://www.ebay.com/itm/100-test-loongson-ls3a-2way-server-v1-1-TY-RS780ED-by-DHL-or-EMS-/252038825704
mod6: last reminder to all who are following along: TEST2 is patched up through maxint_locks_corrected
mod6: someone can also not run this as a script and just run these commands one line at a time if they please.
asciilifeform: looks reasonable to naked eye. will test later when i get back to the machine where i do this.
mod6: i have a script for you to look over, review, read, and try out if you like:
asciilifeform: whatever. so long as it works when i get it back and test it
mod6: its just the way that jurov demands that it works.
asciilifeform: in this test
asciilifeform: this suggests that the dir structure was not created correctly
mod6: asciilifeform: only main change I had to make other than pulling down the TEST2 bundle itself was to add this: sed -i 's/bitcoin\/bitcoin\/src/bitcoin\/src/' rotor.sh
mod6: ;;later tell pete_dushenski I have a script for you to try on Debian 7 to build TEST2 with rotor. You might need to install a few minor pre-reqs. I can hold your hand if required for that part. Let me know when you have some time.
mod6: yeah, that's after we freeze everything though right?
asciilifeform: btw rsync should be abolished when we mod the thing to stop pulling from the net
mod6: If someone wants to give it a try on x86_64 on a similar linux let me know. I've had to install a few pre-reqs on a totally bare minimum 10.04 like: build-essentials, curl, rsync, and unzip
shinohai: I propose adding that location echo to the script mod6 so as not to cause noob hair-pulling.
mod6: So Shinohai and I just got done testing my TEST2 bundle with rotor script. We've built successfully on: Gentoo/glibc, Ubuntu 10.04, Debian 6 and Debian 8 :: All x86_64
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 16:21:23; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu seems like 'nearlyfreespeech co.' takes btc now..
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://imgur.com/SnUhZRR << remember them ?
ben_vulpes: remarkable things, really.
shinohai: Now it's like throwing a hotdog down a hallway #rekt
ag3nt_zer0: love this one too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Tqh6_e_X5s&list=PL352CGbOeT0nNizlUz7K1gJ1o39__xP1G