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mircea_popescu: but, if a solution
to
this problem, admitting it is a problem, and admitting a solution can be had, is
to be had,
punkman: maybe just go
to 2mb at some point?
Adlai: a constant is a lot less state
that max(constant * average, variable)
mircea_popescu: but it horribru or not horribru - a) we are currently keeping state, just, as a constant and b)
there is no way
to make pie-in-the-sky arbitrary values work.
mircea_popescu: you can't allow it
to reduce block size, because
the noise will make
the system unbound and it'll collapse.
mircea_popescu: that's
the biggest problem with it, it introduces a state.
Adlai: or does
this have a "memory"
Adlai: eh? if
the average of
the 2kb batch is under x/1.01, wouldn't
that reduce
the cap?
mircea_popescu: (in case it wasn't obvious -
this wouldn't allow a decrease of blocksize. increase only)
punkman: depends if
these kb are base10
mircea_popescu: (ie, 1mb exactly. because 990 mb blocks fails
to allow for an increase by
the above proposal)
punkman: right now it appears
that fees are increasing, but only because of
the derps doing "stress
tests"
mircea_popescu: if
the fee market has not developed by
the
time
the blocks are filled like
that, it;s not happening.
mircea_popescu: it necessarily would. because unless
two weeks worth of filled blocks, it does nothing.
punkman: I'd still want
the fee market
to develop further before any increase.
mircea_popescu: 20 empty blocks in
the
two weeks interval nullify
the growth.
mircea_popescu: maintaining full blocks for
two weeks straight has not happened yet nor would it be
trivial
punkman: but yes
this might be a sort of sane way
to handle block size
mircea_popescu: that's
the difference : i have no need for an arbitrary 18% no matter what.
mircea_popescu: actual bitcoin users can actually force
the miners, by paying enough
to make
their
transactions not-non-mineable, even if it fills blocks
mircea_popescu: gives everyone some leverage - miners
that want
to keep blocks smaller can mine empty blocks. miners
that mine large blocks have
the usual disadvantage due
to speed.
the
thing itself allows very limited growth, in
the sense of 1% growth if
the previous
two weeks were all full blocks.
mircea_popescu: a function
that, after each retarget, allows blocks as large as say 1.01x
the average actual size of
the blocks in
the 2k batch for instance.
☟︎ Adlai: miner's chicken.
they may all support 42TB blocks, as long as
the other guy mines
them first
Adlai has realized from 'notbitcoinxt'
that ultimately
the only
thing
that matters is what enters
the blockchain.
text, including
that inside
textual protocol fields, is just
text.
mircea_popescu: "Attempting
to buy
time with a fast increase is not wanting
to face
that reality, and
treating
the system as something whose scale
trumps all other concerns. A long
term scalability plan should aim on decreasing
the need for
trust required in off-chain systems, rather
than increasing
the need for
trust in Bitcoin." etc
punkman: "It implements a series of block size steps, one every ~97 days, between January 2017 and July 2063, each increasing
the maximum block size by 4.4%.
This allows an overall growth of 17.7% per year. "
mircea_popescu: mostly for "Bitcoin's advantage over other systems does not lie in scalability. Well-designed centralized systems can
trivially compete with Bitcoin's on-chain
transactions in
terms of cost, speed, reliability, convenience, and scale. Its power lies in
transparency, lack of need for
trust in network peers, miners, and
those who influence or control
the system. Wanting
to increase
the scale of
the system is in conflict
punkman: "“Not everything is for everyone and
that’s
the way it is,” he said,
teeth gleaming indifferently. His
theories about shoes were
tinged, predictably, with a seeming misogyny.
They come, he insisted, with a great deal of “sexual energy” – which is perhaps just as well, as
the only
thing it’s possible
to do in a pair of his heels is lie down."
punkman: "A mischievous fellow who counts among his friends
the queen of Bhutan and Catherine Deneuve, Louboutin has perfected
the art of
the glacial smile when faced with awkward ethical questions. What does he make, for instance, of
the fact
that in India, a market into which he is expanding,
there are lots of people who own no shoes at all?"
ShawnLeary: i dunno, i copy pasted my previous post
that didn't go
through
mats: what is
this @member: business
ShawnLeary: you can become a VIP Donator with a small gift of 50 BTC
to
theymos
hanbot: ben_vulpes> did
this clear up your abortive attempt? >> mhm
ben_vulpes: i'd dearly love a css pass on logs.bitcoin-assets
to colorize by speaker and with a mobile breakpoint
assbot: You rated user lobbes on 06-Feb-2015, with a rating of 2, and supplied
these additional notes: #eulora logs bot.
mircea_popescu: certainly more
than reddit modertatorship's paying hjim
ben_vulpes: bitcointalk was ppulling in what,
tens of btc/wk?
mircea_popescu: weird
that he didn't choose
to
take
that stand
three years ago on his own damned forum, but instead goes
to break his neck on someone else's shit platform.
assbot: Adam Back on
Twitter:.@twobitidiot someone mentioned hypothetical: if you lost your Bitcoins as a result of Gavin network split - would you hold him accountable? : Bitcoin ... (
http://bit.ly/1TMuPqj )
trinque: shinohai: you might want
to run memtest86 or something; you might have derped ram
☟︎ trinque: I had
that in
there
to see
the lilo screen
shinohai: I'll get config asap. I
tried starting it
that same way (minus vnc, don't use it)
trinque: and
the qemu commands is... qemu-system-x86_64 -hda root.img -vnc :0 -redir
tcp:2222::22
trinque: and I'll diff it with
the one I produced
shinohai: but still have no idea how
to run it inside qemu
shinohai: trinque: I finally got it
to run, added genkernel --menuconfig all
to line 185
trinque: shinohai | ;;later
tell
trinque got
the script
to
tun, fails
to compile BxImage:
https://transfer.sh/rkCI7/genkernel.log <<
that oddly is a failure building
the kernel, which is unexpected and should not be gentoo-specific
trinque: hory shit!
the day I pick
to go
to
the river!
BingoBoingo: Well
this looks like someone's first draft. I'm sure more
things will emerge later for great justice. Still no XT block yet.
midnightmagic: more ideally
the instant
the fork condition is met it would invisibly switch
the miner back
to making normal -core blocks., and
the miner should be stripping all identifying marks from coinbase etc and submitting via e.g. eligius block submission port.
BingoBoingo: "This version is indistinguishable from Bitcoin XT 0.11A except
that it will not actually hard fork
to BIP101, yet appears on
the p2p network as Bitcoin XT 0.11A replete with features, yet at a consensus level behaves just like Bitcoin Core 0.11. If it is used
to mine, it will produce XT block versions without actually supporting >1MB blocks."
mats: i can't imagine how many redditor brains would explode at
the notion
Adlai: satoshi should spend
to
the mpex address, move
two markets with one stone
mats: but yes, whether he has
the keys at all -- an open question.
mats: and would have
the interesting effect of perhaps moving
the market
mats: i would be convinced it was him if he used coins from
the first day of mining
midnightmagic: Nobody actually knows whether
there is any hoard or not. It would not be possible
to attribute it
to him.
mats: if only 'satoshi' went
to
the effort of signing a message with an addr from his hoard
punkman: I don't
think I've written 18k classes
total so far
mats: >there are more
than 18,000 classses in
the application
mats: order book currently looks like
this: bids (0.00074712, 58500) (0.00071408, 57) (0.00071407, 21696) asks (0.00076799, 159300) (0.00079910, 35312) (0.0008, 32418)
mats: i wont get hosed when it falls back
to 0.00028 either
mats: unfortunately i don't get paid when mpoe moves like
this but meh whatever
menahem: lol now
that I
think about it,
that's probably why I remember seeing
that article.. after going
through qntra archives.
BingoBoingo: I dunno how you find old
Trilemas, even Qntra is starting
to really slow down
the brainchain index