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mircea_popescu: !!up framedr_stillghe
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes (if you think about it, the first block breaks with the software-as-protocol because eg it doesn't reference a prior block. rather than bake a test into code forever, more reasonable to just make it by hand.)
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-20: [05:34:46] <ben_vulpes> https://blockexplorer.com/block/000000000019d6689c085ae165831e934ff763ae46a2a6c172b3f1b60a8ce26f << this looks entirely incorrect to people besides me, yes?
mod6: asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/sage/test_points.jpg << 404
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in iran, http://66.media.tumblr.com/43adadce09ded605540069355c90dbf7/tumblr_ngyxljZlpO1s150rho1_500.gif
BingoBoingo: ty mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: and in further hatespeech, http://65.media.tumblr.com/4be4d9998c39d363099cc70e5b73b674/tumblr_nlrycyiKM21sgp77yo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: and in other "we forgot how to do it" news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/9bb75d2478bb05786cfff6a5ba46278f/tumblr_mm8fu3y9ky1rmxgp0o1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160919/#652 << remarkable how ahead of her time she was.
ben_vulpes: http://cascadianhacker.com/21_a-tour-of-bitcoind-booting-to-its-first-thread << i should do another of these!
thestringpuller: i'm so proud of you ben_vulpes. i knew you could do it!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the failure to generate 1MB tx is promisetronic, not protocolic, though.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the formatting of ^ suffered greatly from the wordpressification.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-19: [18:25:12] <ben_vulpes> did some late night back-of-the envelope on script length and miminum transaction size and i don't recall it breaching u32
asciilifeform: http://cascadianhacker.com/07_v-tronics-101-a-gentle-introduction-to-the-most-serene-republic-of-bitcoins-cryptographically-backed-version-control-system
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-19: [18:24:07] <ben_vulpes> and the whole "if less than 253, that's the number, if equal then read the next octet, if blablabla" is that consistent across c-land?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: imho section ix ought to link to ben_vulpes's mega-article on subj
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-19: [18:15:46] <asciilifeform> well the thing that presumably drew ben_vulpes to using 'binary-types' is the notion that 'describe the type and never have to manually craft readers/writers'
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> "dad i wanna get married" "honeybunch, you'll get old and your tits will sag and it'll suck. don't get married, it's a dead end" << LOL
asciilifeform: !~later tell mircea_popescu your new page's section IV oughta link to trb
phf: (4 sequence uint32_t))
phf: (4 lock-time uint32_t))
phf: (4 version uint32_t 1)
asciilifeform: would be interesting to read side by side with ben_vulpes's
phf: ben_vulpes: ok, so that second paste is i guess not "general purpose", you'll have to write a reader/writer for every structure that has compact size'd parts in it
phf: ben_vulpes: i still think there's some misunderstanding. once you have a compact size reader, you don't automatically get "read N objects of compact size count"
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: was general observation.
phf: ben_vulpes: well, what you're calling "varint" is called compact size in bitcoin source, and it's used exclusively as a size prefix for variable length lists <compact size><item 1><item 2><item 3>
asciilifeform: well the thing that presumably drew ben_vulpes to using 'binary-types' is the notion that 'describe the type and never have to manually craft readers/writers'
phf: ben_vulpes: no.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes ^
phf: ben_vulpes: you don't have to store first-octet since, it's a property of variable-integer (also if you change variable-integer, you'll have to make sure to correspondingly update first-octet)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what do you have against 'case' operator ?
asciilifeform: i ran into this caltrop when diffing my blocks with mircea_popescu's way back when
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it helps to remember that the blockchain is ~not~ in actuality a simple linear sequence
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: these already lived in a consecutive pile.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: but look on bright side: if you have the thing running on your box, it won't run away, you can vivisect it until you learn whatever you wanted to learn.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: 'trivially' means different things to different people.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fwiw, i have nfi what, if anything, is left there to see.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: 0xffffffff ???
asciilifeform: iirc it isn't far from mircea_popesculandia.
asciilifeform: speaking of which, did mircea_popescu ever visit town of barriloche ?
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-19: [17:19:45] <mircea_popescu> give kid as much rope to hang self with as kid can carry.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: your potential 'clean' and structurally-perfect philosophical pill will have same 0 effect as my 'dirty' one.
asciilifeform: depending on what kind of 'show' -- straight to (as mircea_popescu cited earlier) the good doctor godel
asciilifeform: precisely of the kind mircea_popescu and other sane folk decry
trinque: mircea_popescu: he is *not* replacing the underlying system and thus cannot avoid developing comprehensive knowledge of how *it* works before plonking whatever atop it and calling it something
a111: 3092 results for "from:gabriel_laddel", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Agabriel_laddel
asciilifeform: !#s from:gabriel_laddel
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in point of fact, gabriel_laddel asked.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what is to be gained from ~not telling~ the kid that the dead end is a dead end ?
trinque: since gabriel_laddel reads logs, the point was, if you're building atop linux, better actually know linux
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it would if it could.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: it is a very very short list.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc the thread was about a pedestrian list of 'hardware we like'
deedbot: gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: !!up gabriel_laddel
trinque: gabriel_laddel: it does not reproduce the hardware!
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: which you make with own hands, out of mineral ?
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: they trivially, six time before breakfast, make it ~impossible to reproduce your comp
trinque: gabriel_laddel: I called *your* thing an emacs, figuratively. It is "chinatown", place within a place.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: "but you can't abstract over hardware"
asciilifeform: which the next gabriel_laddel tries to abstract against.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: and then we are stuck with the pile of hack.
asciilifeform: if gabriel_laddel does not care to listen to asciilifeform's observation, it is strictly his own problem. but here it is, for phreeeeee: you cannot abstract against broken software, with other software. or at all.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel dun mind the esteemed lords, they just hate young men for the obvious reason.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: didja sell enough to buy a postbox yet ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> wait, literally ? cunt-0 ?! << On my box: hole0
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-19: [16:25:37] <gabriel_laddel> It is a revolt against G-d and all that is good and true that there does not exist a platform, even on UNIX that one can buy for lisp development.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: if you think such a thing is remotely a good idea, and that the crud will not irreparably spill out from under the 'skin', i got a bridge to sell ya.
phf: well, gabriel_laddel doesn't have the patience to grok the system he's hosting on from the user perspective, how's he going to upkeep it from the dev perspective?
trinque: asciilifeform: was "get_pty" something about out of ptys, where sysctl was set to max 4096
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: that is correct. Hence enforcing a SINGLE hardware platform from which to generalize.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: the only way to learn that is by aptly named brute force.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: if you get tired of having to toggle the nic to autocrossover, get out a pair of scissors and make an actual crossover snake
gabriel_laddel: err, mircea_popescu about what?
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel ironically, turns out trinque did have a point eh.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how am i to know what it is on his box.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: no voodoo here, to turn on the autocrossover you gotta reset the nic. but on sane os this DOES NOT REQUIRE REBOOT omgwtf
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: the scary thing is that it worked.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-19: [16:18:08] <gabriel_laddel> just a minute, have rebooted both machines.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i maintain a delousing spray strictly.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: 110-r9
deedbot: gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !!up gabriel_laddel
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: i just tested the thing i pasted from my notes, on the box i'm presently sitting at, and it did not work. but this latter one - did.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: you might have the other version of netcat
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: consider emplacing the thing into the #t subjline
asciilifeform: if gabriel_laddel recently uploaded a commonlisp that doesn't behave like a retarded child when, e.g., socket shits itself 10,000time/sec, i must've missed..?
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-19: [14:52:01] <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: and bleeding'em from outside (for the sake of argument positing that they ~have~ an outside) is available to weak/poor/haremless/etc. ??
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: i'm fresh out of telekinesis pills, cannot debug your nic...
asciilifeform: supposing your strings are reasonably short, gabriel_laddel .
deedbot: gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: !!up gabriel_laddel
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and bleeding'em from outside (for the sake of argument positing that they ~have~ an outside) is available to weak/poor/haremless/etc. ??
a111: Logged on 2016-09-19 12:45 mircea_popescu: adlai how do you justify sticking around to yourself in that context ?
adlai: mircea_popescu: "justify sticking around"? i'm not sure i understand what you're asking
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 19:35 mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#546 << wait, did you bust some dude's face ?
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 20:13 mircea_popescu: so i guess that's ANOTHER F for adlai ; to celebrate his first day back to "all day ircing".