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ascii_field: chetty:
the anglos being
the authors of
the global rapeatron, with
themselves at
the apex, earned
the hate.
trinque: and
to do otherwise would itself be a sort of exceptionalism
trinque: chetty:
that I readily grant
chetty: the only reason other nations didnt rape us is us had bigger stick,
they happily rape each other all
the
time. Americans are not special and not worthy of special hates
ascii_field: trinque:
the
test of obedience is when
the salary checks bounce.
trinque: it depends on whether
the command structure in
the militaristic side is decaying as badly as
the civilian side
trinque: one side of me sees decay, and
the other
that
this coup in
the USA has gone perfectly well
trinque: ascii_field:
talking about projectile weapons?
ascii_field: trinque: how about
the other other space station?
the one with 25
tonnes of
trotyl and ball bearings
trinque: this all vanishes because somebody decided
they wanted
to do fundamentalist islam again
trinque: the point is I don't
think anyone sits back and
thinks about "what happens with
the *other* space station"
trinque: and as far as
that goes, indonesians didn't fight it off, so life goes as it does
trinque: white mans burden and all
that
ascii_field: countdown
to 'it wasn't rape!!11
they LIKED it!'
chetty: <trinque> my understanding was
that everything we did in
the 20th century involved
the rape of other countries// great propaganda
to make americans hate
themselves
funkenstein_: in fact
this forum is a great example of his open source intelligence ideas
funkenstein_: on
these
topics i have found robert steele
to be quite educational
trinque: ascii_field: yeah, I see
that point.
ascii_field: trinque: have
to understand
that,
to lizards, usa is also 'another country'
trinque: my understanding was
that everything we did in
the 20th century involved
the rape of other countries
chetty: dont
think it was really resources acquisition as it was expenditure, keep making war
toys
ascii_field: which can be easier in zurich
than alabama
trinque: I am referring more
to
the conflicts not necessarily declared wars
ascii_field: trinque: at a certain point,
there is a phase
transition. where life is no longer about u.s. army's 'access
to necessary resources
to operate' but instead col. schmuckson's access
to his mansion and cocaine
trinque: chetty:
this is not what happened?
chetty: <trinque> given its whole mode in
the 20th century was knocking countries over for
their resources?// meme of renown
funkenstein_: you know just because we can put capital letters
together doesn't mean
they represent a coherently motivated
thing
trinque: given its whole mode in
the 20th century was knocking countries over for
their resources?
trinque: and isn't USM quite a bit more capable at
this game?
trinque: this is precisely what ISIS seems
to be doing
trinque: secure access
to
the
things it needs
to operate first,
then move on from
there
trinque: doesn't
that apply
to what USM would do generally in
the aftermath?
trinque: and you were right, immediately a
target in
that environment
trinque: ascii_field: recall
the convo about my family's farm with its gas well?
mats: fragmentation is enough for us hegemony
to be immaterial
trinque: when in history did a vast military power not fragment into many pieces, and instead dissolve completely, leaving no
trace?
trinque: and I would expect a military dictatorship period directly following
the fall of usg
funkenstein_: trinque, it has always been my assumption
that such folks a) have
the gold b) move
the drugs c) controls m0 presses
trinque: I can readily see
that usg is on life-support and fading
mats: given enough
time, US generals will sell off parts just like SU did.
trinque: if
there is not a single man inside
the us military who can figure out something
to do with even fragments of
the
thing, wtf?
mats: militaries require competent leadership. when i say existential
threat, i do not mean ISIS will march on DC
trinque: what I meant about
the military being
the last light
turned out
ascii_field: trinque:
the next major usg
trend is 'demand destruction'
trinque: and in an economic crash we'll stop crying about destroying
the gulf
to get at
them
trinque: am I wrong in understanding
that
there is still a considerable Russian military?
funkenstein_: trinque, one possibility: if no more paycheck people will just walk away, sell off
the gear
trinque: whether or not ISIS controls Iraq is not
the same question as whether
they can destroy
the United States
mats: we'll see how committed NATO is
to fighting ISIS when PMCs fail
to
take Mosul and a few F-16s get smoked
trinque: I would really like
to understand
this logic by which
the entire US military vanishes, rather
than at worst being handed down as an heirloom
trinque: and mind I'm not particularly
thrilled at
the
thought
trinque: we'll lose ground but
there's a vast difference
there
trinque: we have
the stomach for
the whole 20th century
mats: ISIS merely needs USG
to stfu, not die,
to succeed
trinque: the us military will be
the last light shut off, not
the first
mats: USG cannot afford
total war, and
they do not have
the stomach for it, either
trinque: the USA has done
total war before, even if it's been a while
mats: their influence and wealth is
transnational
trinque: I really don't understand
this
thinking,
tbh
trinque: mats: some kind of "muslim unity"
thing against
the USA could very well happen
mats: ISIS doesn't benefit from
the allegiance of any nation state, and nor do i expect any
to give it
punkman: funkenstein_: and
they even have an antique car museum
funkenstein_: forbes piece is nice in admitting
the 1st priority of a university: real estate developer
trinque: or "wake me up when"
they strike a deal with Russia
punkman: mats, aren't
they already battling?
trinque: at
that point I could believe
that
they're an actual
threat, in
that not
they, but
the actual other superpower, is a
threat
mats: e.g.
the kurds, shia
trinque: were I an ISIS, I would look for a large ally
that was not
the USA
mats: USG will attempt
to parlay another group into battle against ISIS
funkenstein_: the "president"
tv show seems mostly produced for foreign consumption, kinda like friends or baywatch
trinque: why didn't
the chechens
take over even after
the USSR fell?
trinque: assuming sure, said USA is aware enough
to see it
trinque: if something poses an "existential"
threat
to
the USA, what do you
think will happen?
trinque: it's been
trying
to manipulate countries into
this or
that state with
the military
trinque: the
thing is,
this has never been
total war between
the USA and Middle East
mats: if
the caliphate is established,
they'll have materialized as a real
threat
mats: ISIS is an existential
threat at
this point in
time
trinque: whether it's possible
to solve
that problme from
the position of "US president" is questionable
trinque: as per various
threads here
trinque: you know, I find it sensible
that he's focusing on Mexico as a
threat rather
than something like ISIS
lobbes: and
then you add in all
the owners banging
their slaves on
the side. it would get murky
lobbes: would be almost impossible
to
trace back lineage, I'd assume
lobbes: wouldn't
their ancestors have been brought in
the country 'legally'; i.e as property? good point
though..
trinque: though I suppose he means something smaller, getting
the courts
to reinterpret it
trinque: if
the 14th amendment were removed via another amendment, what of
the descendents of slaves?
phf: ascii_field: i believe you, just
trying
to figure out what might be going on
lobbes: perhaps it's in his plan. I have yet
to read it myself