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mircea_popescu: "MegaIndex - powerfull analytics tool which allows to get comprehensive report about web-site's incoming and outgoing links." <, in other news, i am persuaded 50% or more of webtrafic is meta.
trinque: heh, sounds a lot like the human fuel gauge in Waterworld
asciilifeform: could simply mean a 300 baud link over 'diode' and optical fiber, to next room, with 24/7 eyes watching the text
asciilifeform: meatnet, at least in weak form, doesn't have to mean gurlz carrying floppy disks
mike_c: well, don't tell that to mpex.
mike_c: right. but if you want to build a service that has proper message security, how else to do it?
asciilifeform: (including, imho most often, not doing the thing at all)
asciilifeform: if there is any way to avoid it.
asciilifeform: generally you do not want to hook up a machine with sensitive keymat to public.
asciilifeform: re: 'in the wild.'
asciilifeform: mike_c: the basic concept here is the same as in hygiene elsewhere. i, personally, do not know of anyone who has become ill from, e.g., eating rotting carcass. but i refrain nonetheless.
mircea_popescu: yeah amusingly i had the same problem lol
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=potemkin | Comes from a legend of Governor Potemkin of Crimea who supposedly created sham villages (Potemkin Villages) to impress his queen from a distance, but this ...
mircea_popescu: also #b-a is just a treefort and so on
mircea_popescu: nah, mpex is "potemkins all the way down". i read it on reddit.
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: you probably own one of the most valuable pgp/email lists going..
mike_c: i mean, what's it going to do? root the box? I guess that's worst case.
mike_c: i mean nobody (here) knows of any real example of this working.
mike_c: malformed ciphertext is just theoretical, no? never seen in wild?
asciilifeform: i'll let mircea_popescu answer this one (if he feels like..) - iirc there is also a 'diode' in there somewhere
mircea_popescu: mpex is not open to general public tho
mike_c: "coin".. you do on trades.
mike_c: you send encrypted message, get encrypted response back in real time
asciilifeform: mike_c: iirc mpex runs using meatbots carrying ciphertext/plaintext to/from.
mike_c: hm. mpex hasn't been cracked by that yet.
asciilifeform: not to mention that there is no effective way to do this across airgap
asciilifeform: and don't have sensitive key material in the mix.
asciilifeform: williamdunne: if you want to pgp, you're mostly stuck with shell call-outs to classical gpg.
mircea_popescu: consumers haven't come to expect.
williamdunne: Ok, well lets settle on works well enough for the rather limited goal
asciilifeform: williamdunne: my current understanding is that there is not, on this planet, a 'gpg library that actually works' - period, full-stop.
mike_c: now maintained by someone who might keep it up more than a week
asciilifeform: williamdunne: please try to avoid referring to common lisp as 'clisp' in the interest of not confusing n00bz - clisp is a thing, it is a (pretty poor) free implementation of common lisp
mircea_popescu: hopefully we get a pgp implementation that's usable sometime this side of the decade.
williamdunne: D required a hacky method of telling the application to use the command line
williamdunne: +1 on auto-upping some nicks. I wanted to re-write Scoop in a language that doesn't use JIT and other such crap, but many languages lack GPG libraries that actually work.
mircea_popescu: first generation transplant huh
asciilifeform: where to get new tires.
mircea_popescu can readily envisage the situation where, being dirigiblewrecked on same lab, would prefer the company of mr x over pretty much everyone in the dept.
asciilifeform: dr y. wasn't dumb. merely entirely uninteresting, preoccupied with details of daily life as a not-especially-well-of d.c. resident, e.g., where the 'cheapest' petrol is to be had
mircea_popescu: i prefer the company of intelligent folks.
asciilifeform: and to work in fields where honest work is carried out at least on occasion
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm not in the 'morals' business. but personally prefer the company of folks who wash, at least on occasion.
mircea_popescu: because you're not tough enough to, so there it goes.
mircea_popescu: his answer is plain : because nobody forced him to.
mircea_popescu: and in those terms, your problem is "why are you such an asshole" which comes directly to "why don't you wash like we do".
mircea_popescu: just like the puritan view of a wife.
mircea_popescu: "now you chose it, it's yours, you gotta upkeep it" goes the taxation verbiage. just like... wait for it...
mircea_popescu: also the cui prodest analysis comes out very heavily charged. apparently the only people who'd benefit from you think "you chose" "your" "profession" are the people selling professions, and choice.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform thinking about it, "choose this profession" thing might be the distillate of the issue. on one hand, the evidence that suchg a thinbg as "choosing your profession" even exuists in nature is slight at best. take the longstanding observation that "a young researcher will end up in that field where he encounters the first success".
trinque: anywho, I am just trying to keep the gears turning. I'm not "pissed"
trinque: seems the right way to me. fits using another means of communication at some later date, too
mircea_popescu: it's not a bad thing, evolution.
trinque: kakobrekla: at the time I wrote deedbot- there was an agreement that the thing should voice itself when I asked you to autovoice it.
assbot: BitBet - Dow Jones Industrial Average (^DJI) to drop below 14,000 before 18th September :: 1.48 B (14%) on Yes, 8.9 B (86%) on No | closing in 2 weeks 3 hours | weight: 59`576 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1I9SzZt )
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell TheNewDeal care to make me an offer on https://bitbet.us/bet/1188/dow-jones-industrial-average-dji-to-drop-below/#b18 ? :D ☟︎
gribble: TheNewDeal was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 6 days, 22 hours, 47 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <TheNewDeal> !down TheNewDeal
mircea_popescu: ;;seen TheNewDeal
mircea_popescu: who was selling all those bitbet bets
mircea_popescu: yeah srsly much better stuff to get worked up over.
lobbes: the rest, I thought was williamdunne
lobbes: trinque: not scoops, per se. I've just been on a quest to handle alf's phuctor feed
trinque: I'm not pissed at all. lobbes here seems to want to do scoops.
trinque: notably the bitching about how someone else wants to do it comes after I've put work into bringing mine back online
mircea_popescu: nah, the autovoice thing going away is prolly the right direction anyway
trinque: so they don't waste my time
trinque: I expect that someone who says "I will run an RSS bot" does it
kakobrekla: do you expect to find shakespeare in your server logz?
trinque: I don't want to spend another morning farting around with something as inconsequential as an RSS plugin
trinque: so why don't you set rules for everyone to be autovoiced when authed with nickserv
kakobrekla: the right amount being less in this particular case :)
trinque: no, the right amount of code is better
lobbes: <kakobrekla> usually we just let the chanserv do the bot voicing to make it simpler << so, in other words, no need for assbot voicing?
trinque: but lo, I am trinque, eater of bots
trinque: I've had a working module for months at least, but was letting somebody else take a job
kakobrekla: i even added rss to assbot for bens jeniks - which got shut down a day after.
trinque: something like that
mircea_popescu: trinque one of the best parts of this entire open experiment thingee is how the rss bot was by far the MOST redone part of all of b-a ☟︎
trinque: parsimony strikes again; I'll endeavor to avoid busses
kakobrekla: well, i dont mind who runs rss bot - but - usually we just let the chanserv do the bot voicing to make it simpler
lobbes: well, I can't really say 'no.' If you've got a working solution, there's no need to wait for my derpage
trinque: alright, well, this is the 3rd time I've had to get feeds going on mine
lobbes: for some reason, the OTP from assbot doesn't get sent to the messages.log like it used to pre-limnoria
lobbes: Of course, with this update lobbesbot seems to have new problems communicating with assbot. In summary, all that is left is to figure out how to get lobbesbot to !up himself again..
assbot: Logged on 24-08-2015 04:38:13; asciilifeform: ;;later tell lobbes your bot is dead ?
lobbes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-08-2015#1249978 << On the contrary. I was able to get the updated fork installed on my server Saturday, which contains the re-written RSS plugin. ☝︎
asciilifeform: from the linked photo earlier, i am still uncertain they they have women..
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it wasn't discussed as anything more than a very vague possibility. just, your objections got rejected is all!
BingoBoingo: sure, or they throttle the white man's speed
asciilifeform: nah why do that when you can hang a man upside down and cut off his skin until have they key.
mircea_popescu: maybe i discover they drop payloads at the backbone level
mircea_popescu: o right. how am i going to get encrypted connections to my various servers. i dunno, BingoBoingo !
asciilifeform: but i, for one, look forward to reading mircea_popescu's description of life in middle kingdom!!
BingoBoingo: Don't they have that wall thing to keep the Mongols lost and until they get found, but for internet
mircea_popescu: what, they dont have cable ?
mircea_popescu: but that aside, i have very little hope left to be much surprised by people.
BingoBoingo more curious how mircea_popescu plans to get real internet in .cn
mircea_popescu: adding to the amusement, the part that he wasn't aware that to the average romanian, the arab,gypsy difference seems slight. but i suspect you know in english russian, chinese, same deal.
mircea_popescu: well for sure us is very similar to ro, in the following amusing way : /me clearly recalls arab fellow living in romania explaining to me the problems with gypsies.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my point is that china is different from ro, ar, usa, in several interesting ways which mircea_popescu appears to heavily discount the importance of. perhaps he has own reasons for this, but i couldn't possible know them..