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trinque: and
then really, if you're dealing in
the modern software "market", wtf is CLIM on an iPhone?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: just doesn't understand How
The Werld Werks (tm)
trinque: and I've postponed working on
that
thinger indefinitely, reviewing
the literature :p
trinque: ben_vulpes:
thing's probably like... clim and clos at
this point
ben_vulpes: well until
trinque writes his database-inspecting UI generator, i'm stuck building machines
that write software
to extract data from databases and render it and manipulatory widgets for it.
trinque: naggum on lisp not
turning people into cogs
ben_vulpes: what do you have against
the delegateHoldingMyHandWhileComplexThingsHappenThatNeedToCallTheSystemStateMachineWithSpecificInformation pattern, eh?
assbot: Logged on 29-08-2015 17:44:04; ben_vulpes: regarding graham,
the focus on macros in his (published) work puts me off a bit. "look at
the monstrous edifice of complexity i can hold within my mind!" instead of "look at
this useful and easily fit-into-head
thing i made".
mircea_popescu: intuitive impression
to
the contrary notwithstanding, values do not contain
their own definition.
mircea_popescu: for
that matter setting a rate of flow gauge (like say a
tap)
to "4" is not in any sense similar
to setting a wallet
to contain "4". it's more alike "4x", really.
assbot: Logged on 29-08-2015 17:26:00; mircea_popescu: in point of fact, if
the writing part's
the big problem, one's clearly not
thinking enough.
mircea_popescu: if i want you
to set a vector
to "4" do i mean 4.0, 4.0, 4.0 ? do i mean 4.0, 0.0, 0.0 ie
the 1st invariant ? do i mean 4.0, 1.0, 1.0 ie
the 2nd invariant ? do i simply mean 4.0, normal, normal ? what normal ?
trinque: but yes,
that perspective is also sensible. "know what you're dealing with"
assbot: Logged on 07-02-2015 02:20:39;
the_scourge: 'Emacs actually comes with a builting Emacs Aptitude
Test. Do you remap your keyboard or
the Emacs keybindings before
the chords and sequences it comes with by default have wreaked havoc with your hands? If you do not do anything
to make Emacs more convenient for yourself, you may not have
the prerequisite aptitude
to use it productive.' (naggum, who else.
http://www.xach.com/na < funny,
that's one of
t assbot: Logged on 29-08-2015 17:24:20;
trinque: I have no idea who
thought
these emacs "chords" were a good
thing, but fuck
that person
trinque: and
the value would be an expression
to evaluate
mircea_popescu: seems
to me by
the
time i dun know anymore how
to fill
the something with water i have a problem more serious in
there.
trinque: setf seems like an example of a good macro, where
the general notion of "set
the
thing, whatever it is,
to
this value" is expanded
to whatever
the appropriate way
to set
that
thing is
trinque: what
that damned good reason might be still is not entirely clear
to me
ben_vulpes: regarding graham,
the focus on macros in his (published) work puts me off a bit. "look at
the monstrous edifice of complexity i can hold within my mind!" instead of "look at
this useful and easily fit-into-head
thing i made".
☟︎ ben_vulpes: when i go full scammatronics vc bezzle
the office campus will be navigated with 'solowheel' 'orbits'
☟︎ mircea_popescu: for
the record, /me holds
the above way above
theft and rape. it is
the sort of intellectual dishonesty
that should result in being drawn and quartered.
ben_vulpes: trinque: mircea_popescu's gist here is eerily similar
to mr W's
trinque: ben_vulpes: not really a speedup; I've just moved common emacs operations
towards
the middle of
the keyboard
mircea_popescu: in point of fact, if
the writing part's
the big problem, one's clearly not
thinking enough.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: really, alf proposed a half
truth when he said
that if handling
the mechanics of signing are
the major
time eater, one's clearly not doing enough work with
the patches.
trinque: just a matter of staying off
the modifier keys; I use space as leader and various sequences of keys from
there, usually involving index and middle fingers
ben_vulpes: as it is,
the bulk of my
time is spent performing archaeology.
trinque: I enjoy
the use of my hands
ben_vulpes: trinque: if i actually wrote code, i'd be more inclined
to use evil.
trinque: I have no idea who
thought
these emacs "chords" were a good
thing, but fuck
that person
☟︎ trinque: I use evil in emacs for
this very reason
assbot: Logged on 29-08-2015 14:21:49; mircea_popescu: and re vi - whatever!!1 i used it for years. nowadays i find i mostly use nano.
then again nowadays i mostly read other people's reports.
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mircea_popescu: which is why "a life free of conflict" is such ridoinculous contradiction in
terms.
trinque: I suppose its obvious, but it points
to an inherent conflict between
the sexes.
trinque: so I don't
think I disagree, just
that "who says it's reckless?"
trinque: naturally
they would,
though what's sensible with a narrow view may be insane from a broader perspective
mircea_popescu: well it is also in what a government of women would hold (and in
those countries which do allow such nonsense, do hold) as reckless disregard of
their litter.
trinque: I wasn't, but I see
the sense in it.
mircea_popescu: trinque you familiar with
the "psychotic" observation of poincarre (the president, not
the other one)
that "universal lack of suffering may never be a policy goal, for
the simplest means
to effect it would be simply killing everyone" ?
trinque: hearing aids have made quite
the improvements over
the years
trinque: disregard certainly, depending on
towards what
trinque: if
that, I don't see immediately how it could be an advantage.
trinque: does
this "psychoticism" mean something like willingness
to act *upon* a person or *through*
them?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw, re
the constant empress cixi references :
the esteemed duke of wellington also contributed "Depend upon it, Sir, nothing will come of
them!"
mircea_popescu: fortunately
the point is exactly
that bitcoin doesn't work like
that.
mircea_popescu: because i'd so
totally
trade a mile of "internet" by which our friend of course means retardorama web 2.0, for an inch of bbs.
mircea_popescu: ". In
the same way
that
the people who used
to use BBS systems in small numbers
that are dwarfed by
the number of internet users, Bitcoin will undergo a similar
transformation, with similar beneficial effects, only
this
time, penetrating more deeply into society at every level
than what is simple net access
today."
punkman: he figured out how
to get !up's
diana_coman: lolz, I guess if I am,
then I will, won't I?
mircea_popescu: and
they don't have
to learn about santa and
the guy in
the sky.
they will, sure, if
that's what you wanna
tell me.
mircea_popescu: exactly. you don't have
to grow fat and stupid now
that you have kids. but if you expect
to, sure, you will.
diana_coman: but
that doesn't mean
that you *have*
to speak gibberish
to
them
diana_coman: sure,
they will be equally delighted with someone speaking gibberish
to
them
diana_coman: yes, but more
than
that,
they are actually curious (as far as I can
tell and not only based on mine) and enjoy something new -
they don't care about
the level really, so it's more a matter of what
the other people can "feed"
them really
mircea_popescu: children, inasmuch as
they're yours, expect exactly what
they're getting and will be equally
thankful for it, which is why a six year old is happy whether poor african or rich swede, just as long as he's with his mother.
assbot: Logged on 29-08-2015 15:24:37; mircea_popescu: rearing children is perhaps not so unlike going
to reeducation camp for a few years. it "didn't work" on a. solzhenitsyn. it DID work, obviously, on all
the schmucks he knows by name but you do not. so...
diana_coman: fwiw children actually enjoy even graph
theory (if explained on
train
track sets) so no, it's not as if one has
to really dumb down necessarily just for being with
them
diana_coman: oh,
the first days/weeks or so yeah, hormones all over
the place and funny stuff (such as forgetting why I went
to a room or another or stuff like
that)
diana_coman: but not sure why/how/whether
that shock really is about brain matter shrinking or something
mircea_popescu: diana_coman which is how camp inmates ended up
teaching linguistics lmao
diana_coman: there is a big shock in
the first year for sure
mircea_popescu: rearing children is perhaps not so unlike going
to reeducation camp for a few years. it "didn't work" on a. solzhenitsyn. it DID work, obviously, on all
the schmucks he knows by name but you do not. so...
☟︎ diana_coman: and no, I don't spend my whole day in a room with small children (and even when I do play with
the lo, I find myself quickly ending up basically explaining graph
theory on his
train set/track or something other - not out of some idea
that it will make him a genius, but out of boredom, yes)
diana_coman: asciilifeform> don't discount
the iq hit apparently imposed by spawning <- interesting
theory, as a mother of a 3yo I can say
that
the only way I can see
that work is mainly due perhaps
to sleep deprivation