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btcdrak wonders where he can short Mike and Gavin's reputation which seem
to be going down in flames along with
the XT movement.
☟︎ ascii_field: what we are attempting is rather like buying, cleaning, repairing old car;
they - pulling off
the wheels off someone else's parked machine, as in india
ben_vulpes: for argument, how is
this 'slicing' different from what we're doing with bitcoin?
ascii_field: yes, i would ~like~ a gcc library; (and a gpg library.) but i understand
the authors' logic re: how
this could easily and catastrophically help
the enemy
phf: i like
the href name
ascii_field: or at least,
the only one with some
track record of success.
ascii_field: also it is a mistake
to suppose
that
this practice is merely for protecting against plagiarism
phf: This has been frequently requested. However,
the current viewpoint of
the GnuPG maintainers is
that
this would lead
to several security issues and will
therefore not be implemented in
the foreseeable future. However, for some areas of application gpgme could do
the
trick.”
phf: re gnupg,
that was actually in faq for a while, but
they shortened
the whole answer
to "not a chance"
trinque: yep,
that makes perfect sense
ascii_field: little monkeys who want
to
take
the 'good bits', file off
the serial numbers, and run with'em
☟︎ ascii_field: specifically, and by design, unfriendly
to ~slicers~
trinque: large and complex doesn't necessarily mean incoherent, just not friendly
to noobs
trinque: but I do also see a benefit in barriers
to poetterings
assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 16:07:54; ben_vulpes: and
the 'open source world' went along with
this for how long?
ascii_field: think of your internal organs. what if
they were as easy
to steal, cleanly and quietly, as a bicycle ?
assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 16:05:28;
trinque: yup, in
the case with gcc, I
think
the idea was
that
there'd be a barrier
to understanding it if it were monolithic
assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 16:07:42; ben_vulpes: so not just
technically challenging
to call into
the c code of but actually deliberately obfuscated?
assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 15:51:39; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: /why/ was gpg written
to be unlibrarizable?
ascii_field: 'They
then use
these keys
to spawn large numbers of EC2 instances
to mine for bitcoins.' << exercise for
the reader: calculate how much, e.g., litecoin, could have been mined by
the attacker.
trinque: and also, utterly ironic
to be worrying about how "free software" might be used
trinque: strikes me as exactly
the idiocy of "free software"
phf: ccl for example uses a hacked up version of
this ffi generator
http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/lth/ffigen/, which is in
turn a set of intrusive patches against gcc. can be done, but wouldn't go into upstream for political reasons
trinque: "better not make it
too good, or people will want
to use it"
trinque: ben_vulpes: also a barrier
to poetterings, maybe
ben_vulpes: and
the 'open source world' went along with
this for how long?
☟︎☟︎ ben_vulpes: so not just
technically challenging
to call into
the c code of but actually deliberately obfuscated?
☟︎ trinque: and
therefore a barrier
to say ripping off components and making non-free versions
trinque: yup, in
the case with gcc, I
think
the idea was
that
there'd be a barrier
to understanding it if it were monolithic
☟︎ ben_vulpes: asciilifeform has referred
to rms doing
this with i believe a compiler as well, and i would hear
the story. 'cawsmic rayz and shitgnome bitrot' isn't
the kind of story
to scare children into losing sleep over.
ben_vulpes: i'm asking specifically about
the conspiracy, mats.
mats: conspiracy aside, probably just
twenty years of glue and paperclips on a design nobody ever expected
to be in production
☟︎ ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: /why/ was gpg written
to be unlibrarizable?
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 01:34:42; asciilifeform: in real world, 'telescreen' is not in every room but in every
toilet stall, and people not only do not hide from it but pose for it, and complain about not enough resolution on
the ccd.
trinque: lol, now
technical means "not really a (but yes really a)"
pete_dushenski: not a ~real~ recession,
those don't happen in
the biggest bestest firstest americas
trinque: mod6: surely
this is just a
temporary correction or whatever
the fuck
the propaganda
term is now
mod6: circut breaker used 1,200
times: MOVE ALONG, NOTHING
TO SEE HERE
trinque: aw what happened
to
that "RALLY!" I heard so much about only days ago?
pete_dushenski: Hmm I'm still seeing "Status : Internal error" on
the mpex receipts
punkman: pete_dushenski: it was working earlier when I looked, I
think
punkman: what could possibly be
the
target for bug-to-bug compatibility?
assbot: Logged on 28-06-2015 04:49:55; asciilifeform: decimation: i don't
think
that a mathematically-rigorous description of openssl (not
to even mention boost and bdb) could be achieved in 10,000 years of sweat
assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 08:27:20; mircea_popescu: anyway,
the ridiculous pretense
that openssl is still even a
thing at all.
shinohai: Haven't read any sci-fi in a while.
That will be good.
punkman: I put "The
Three-Body Problem" on my list recently, seems like it got a Hugo award in
the meantime
shinohai: Any bibliophiles here
that would care
to make a recommendation for my Winter reading list?
shinohai: Perhaps he could be described as a member of
the species whose brain has not yet fully evolved.
☟︎ shinohai: I'm not certain someone like
that can be
truly described as "human".
cazalla: kim looks fat moreso
than pregnant, at least at
that angle
cazalla: adlai, ah don't
thank me, i was drunk
adlai: cazalla:
ty for
the poem
cazalla: might be
time
to make a kanye leaves kim bitbet
cazalla: punkman, she is carrying
the child in her ass?
☟︎ cazalla: shame about
those eyebrows but still
jurov: asciilifeform: your server serves it as "Content-Type
text/plain"
mircea_popescu: chick's great, and check out how deeply she bothers
the
two other insecure ones.
BingoBoingo: Well, If I know
the FBI/Treasury/WTFObolaBBQ is watching why would I even create an opportunity
to be framed as a person looking
to participate in drug commerce?
assbot: A Law Enforcement Encounter: If you ran a Bitcoin related service before
the
thing hit $100 you prolly ought
to be somewhat concerned and/or prepared | Bingo Blog
mircea_popescu: anyway,
the ridiculous pretense
that openssl is still even a
thing at all.
☟︎ shinohai: Nice article BingoBoingo All you need
to do now is drop it off in r/darknetmarkets and a few .onion forums,
there goes your BIP101 support
mircea_popescu: they'll sell
their worthless startup for billions and so forth, if only
they respect licenses and never say bad
things about fat people or something
mircea_popescu: punkman well some people still persist in
this vc fairytale/pipedream
shinohai: Because as we say in
the South, "Backdoor guests are best".
BingoBoingo: Neither do I, but
they are so easy
to
troll