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ascii_field: we already established
that it is not affecting diametric's machine
ascii_field: there is NO WAY
to save it after every multiplication!
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: even with optimal design, it can save
the product of moduli perhaps once per 24h
mircea_popescu: software
that's more friable
than
the hardware is a bad idea.
ascii_field: supposing
the place is actually a data center and has ~some~ backup power
ascii_field: if i can put a 12v lead-acid cell in
the 1u colo,
mircea_popescu: stop using whatever it
takes, but
the idea is, if a power outage a season means it does no useful work worth
the mention, we can't have it. because we no longer live in
the world of our forefathers, where shit worked. even obama gets power interrupted once a year.
ascii_field: kakobrekla: laugh, but
that's where it lived for 1st year and a half
ascii_field: because 1st step non-negotiably is
to stop using sqlite.
ascii_field: any redesign of
that
thing means rewrite 100%
kakobrekla: there is
too many or
to few womenz in ams.
ascii_field: kakobrekla: it is presently not working other
than for
the display of old results. and will not work again until it gets 6+ weeks of uninterrupted mains current.
ascii_field: iirc what mircea_popescu painstakingly explained in
that old
thread is
that
there is not, of course, a magical incantation which makes a 'revoked' key stop working
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't fault you for ignoring
them. i would fault you for "handling" an undefined concept in a weird way.
assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 20:19:54; mircea_popescu: i'm spending a lot more
than 1k / mo on hosting. in fact i spend more on servers living space
than on women living space, for my sins ;/
assbot: Logged on 15-05-2015 03:34:04; assbot: Logged on 14-05-2015 21:44:05; ascii_field: i'm kinda curious why mircea_popescu considers a new key signed with a previous key
to not be a logical continuation of
the same identity. (is it because of
the impossibility of hard-guaranteed revocation, as discussed in previous
thread?)
mats: because search is broken i am having
trouble discovering
the revocation
thread. anyone have a link, or would mind explaining implications for e.g. keyserver?
ascii_field: not only
that, but rms is not mircea_popescu and
the
thieves would cry 'stop
thief', sue inventor for using own item, and win.
mircea_popescu: because
that works now, and such nonsense counts as strategic design.
mircea_popescu: and his solution
to it was a sort of "so i'll release just
the
tip"
mircea_popescu: anyway, basically stallman saw
the problem of "if i release bitcoin
then
the
twerps will get it and pretend
to be using it, and
then pretend
to be improving on it and soon enough it will be indistinguishable from
the sort of shit
that it was made
to kill. because
the source of
the shit drowning us is neither god nor
the aliens nor unforseen circumstances - it's
the lesser apes we insist on calling humans for no reason."
mircea_popescu: "open source people" used
to mean something, like "burning man attendant" used
to mean something. now it means something else.
assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 16:07:54; ben_vulpes: and
the 'open source world' went along with
this for how long?
assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 16:00:06; mats: conspiracy aside, probably just
twenty years of glue and paperclips on a design nobody ever expected
to be in production
mircea_popescu: just find out if you can put your hands on it and figure out if you want
to.
mircea_popescu: i'm spending a lot more
than 1k / mo on hosting. in fact i spend more on servers living space
than on women living space, for my sins ;/
☟︎ jurov: if it
turns out it's not possible
to have lockable sub-compartment and must have whole vage for 1000 euro
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla no you know, he's saved it
there because
that way, if we do something fishy,
the record will be left behind.
mircea_popescu: and what exactly diverge you mean ? someone offered you half a rack for 500 except if you wish
to
touch it it's 19500 ?
mircea_popescu: jurov im not interested in what may happen as much as im interested in
taking specific reasonable measures.
thestringpuller: ascii_field: so much of what imho needs
to be done, cannot be done. << doesn't
this
technically make it impossible?
ascii_field: so much of what imho needs
to be done, cannot be done.
jurov: and
the juxtaposition of you doing it all personally and it being not in
the north america
jurov: yes i meant at
that price
jurov: ascii_field: you relish in impossible requirements, don't you? i just
that ... palpable improvement over some box no one in
the wot ever saw, is possible
mike_c: I guess he
trusts you not
to muck with his comment more
than
to get
the payments right :)
mike_c: oh, nvm,
those are payouts
ascii_field: jurov: kinda why i want
to place arbitrary hardware of my own making in
there
jurov: what was
the proximate cause ?
jurov: also, what if lizards reboot
the machine remotely with magic packets?
jurov: but i suspect
the features you ask and
the price will diverge considerably :(
mircea_popescu: jurov in general, worth asking
to get very clear answers because in principle i would be interested, but i have
to clearly know what i'm interested in.
jurov: yes, i understand. if it can be locked only
together with other boxen, will say so
ascii_field: jurov: if
this were me, and here in
this
town, i would set up
the batteries,
tamper sensors, mains loggers, camera...
mircea_popescu: jurov but
to be perfectly clear,
this is a deal where you physically have access
to
the boxes in question and nobody else
touches
them
jurov: mircea_popescu: yes i will ask about
the locking and exact dimensions. also will need someone
to make
the shopping list and plan,
mircea_popescu: that's fucking exactly what
trilema needs, an annoying dinger on people's phones ffs.
mircea_popescu: am i
the only one getting spam from people
trying
to push blog-on-app "solutions" ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, iirc
the french kid
that was going
to do one of
the versions of
the job board
thing got upset and left in part because iho he was waitinfg for me.
ascii_field: 'in my days we got forty rods
to
the hog's head and we loved it!!'
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> or, alternatively, failing
to do anything on account of waiting << i could give some examples of
this, but of dubious actual substance.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: ah point is
to explain
that 'cage' is a kind of standard
term, like 'barrel' in petro industry
mircea_popescu: ascii_field and a
traditional wife cooks. what's your point.
mircea_popescu: another very important chunk of
the story is
the fallout from
the "causes not purposes" philosophy. all b-a software exists because, not for, and
this is HOW we end up with
things like "well we now have
this v-jewel, what's it for ?"
mircea_popescu: phf more layers
to it but as a first approximation yea
mike_c: I don't
think
that issue is phrased quite right. I'm not looking
to get someone else
to do anything.
phf: i
think at issue is not really collision, but getting someone else
to construct a
todo list for you..
mircea_popescu: jurov so it would be ~600 bucks for 8u of space,
then hire you
to manage it and
then buy
the actual machines. as an upside you actually have physical access and will lock down
the boxes ?
phf: mike_c: ah but it's not
true
that nobody has
those lists. ascii has one, i'm sure does mp, mod6 and ben_vulpes. i keep one
too from reading
the logs in a
text file
mike_c: but
to answer your question, yes.
mike_c: ascii_field:
the locking
thing is not
the biggest
thing
to me, more
the accurate list of
things
that could/should be done.
ascii_field: or, alternatively, failing
to do anything on account of waiting
ascii_field: mike_c: can you
think of a
time when
two+ people ended up doing
the same
things?
mike_c: I
think we may be close
to
the line.
ascii_field: but for 'who wants
to do what', it ought
to suffice imho
ascii_field: it was plainly not enough
to reconstruct patch flow, yes
ascii_field: however, i am not convinced
that merely following
the conversation here is not bugtracky enough
ascii_field: phf:
the one for 'v' can be found in my original posting of it on
the ml
phf: mike_c: do you have a
todo list for bitcoind written somewhere? or for v?
mike_c: perhaps
then less is more. just a
todo-list with open/closed and claimed/unclaimed. communication all stays on mailing list
mike_c: ah, but i see your point. mailing list is signed,
this wouldn't be.
ascii_field: and now we have unsigned
text and a centralized place
to pwn and
track activity
mike_c: patches are signed, so I don't see why
tampering wouldn't be evident.
mike_c: Surely. But integrating V could allow for "this patch solved
this problem"
ascii_field: would
this be
true of a hypothetical 'bugtracker with v' ?
ascii_field: and if it is ever
tampered in any way, becomes immediately apparent
to everyone.