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trinque: because civilization is something which happens in
the absence-of, not something which happened due
to some particular mechanism of conditioning
phf: asciilifeform: what about something like
this
http://paste.lisp.org/display/154647, put a flag on sighup, put a couple of checks (i'm not sure if my guess as far as mainloop is correct) for
the flag, do a stop
the world snapshot. can have it running normally, periodically send kill -HUP ...
☟︎ mircea_popescu: trinque note
that, importantly, you also need a particular sort of helpless population.
the afghani have been bombed pretty much constantly since
the 70s, did nothing.
☟︎ trinque: speaks
to maybe
their sense of impunity but nothing else
mircea_popescu: (this is also why
the agreement wass in england
that if hitler had in fact
the resources and
the will
to continue bombing for six weeks he'd have won
the war with britain.
trinque: the microbes were
tested on people because
they wanted
to know
the results
mircea_popescu: so no, microbes can not be used as substitute for your original " usg will happily carpetbomb own subjects if it needs
to." specifically because
that one chief ingredient is missing.
mircea_popescu: when you beat a slave, it is educative because she knows
that
this is strictly reality, and
the only way out is internalised change.
mircea_popescu: he'll fantasize about being made whole, all
that nonsense.
mircea_popescu: if you go kloink some dude on
the street upside
the head, he'll just
think himself mistreated, go look for places
to complain -
the police station,
the church, wherever.
mircea_popescu: i
think i said it before, but anyway :
the important
thing about a beating isn't
the actual beating, but
the part
that forces
the recipient
to internalise he has no recourse.
mircea_popescu: the important point about bombs is not
the destruction. it's
that
they are loud and enforce in
the recipient a
taste of his own powerlessness.
trinque: sure wasn't
that in california somewhere (among others probably)
trinque: I
think it will behave ever more incoherently until it shakes apart entirely
ascii_field: trinque: usg will happily carpetbomb own subjects if it needs
to.
trinque: gonna need a hashtag for
this shit; it's
trending
trinque: didn't see it in logs, might've already been
treated
mircea_popescu: in other news, "you charging passerbys for
the sexual use of your wife is very bad because she'll lose mindshare. should give her away for free, and
then raise
the children. experts agree!"
mircea_popescu: also what "stealing
the stealing" is. check out gcc, and it's "mindshare". because
that's what we're calling reddit votes now.
mircea_popescu: "hey, some 8 yo might have died for some reason - wouldn't you like
this list of washington apointees
to decide who can marry in pakistan and when and wqhy ?"
mircea_popescu: and perhaps
the best illustration in history of what ~exactly~ "flag of convenience" means.
trinque: I am prepping
to move cross-country, so I can't make hard commitments re:
time
this week or next; however I don't mind
taking a look at phuctor's db use at all.
mircea_popescu: The dearth of actually successful Open Source companies (where Open Source is part of a permanent rather
than an exit strategy) makes it pretty clear
that
this "realistic" advertising strategy is not actually founded in much realism.
mircea_popescu: Uh, Eric Raymond explicitly created
the "Open Source" label exactly
to appeal
to industry players who considered bothering with principles suspicious. So yes, Open Source is for people without principles.
That's not Stallman's pitch, but an explicit design goal of
the Open Source agenda.
To replace
the appeal
to principles, a bunch of
technical and marketing criteria are propounded.
assbot: Logged on 10-02-2015 22:07:54; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu:
the llvm
thing, prior
to career as apple crud, had a previous life as a darling plaything of u.s. 'comp sci' academitardia
assbot: Logged on 15-02-2015 21:43:42; asciilifeform: 'but Richard is seemingly frightened about
the compiler competition from LLVM
that is out under a permissive free software license.' << fud artist lies
through his
teeth. rms is not 'frightened of competition under permissive licenses', but is pointing out
that organized attack by shitgnomes flying (as always) flags of convenience, is under way.
mircea_popescu: or
to quote
the webexperts in derpxertises, "The elephant in
the room is
that GCC and emacs aren't competing against proprietary compilers so much as
they are against LLVM and clang. Whichever one has better features and support for programming is going
to win mindshare and without mindshare you are dead.
This is compounded by
the fact
that
there are several major corporations helping LLVM along so you need steady cont
assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 16:42:32; ascii_field: little monkeys who want
to
take
the 'good bits', file off
the serial numbers, and run with'em
jurov: also, i suspect i recently started using more proxies, which may have exacerbated
the problem.. it's arduous
to research, not done yet
jurov: and i complained numerous
times here,
too
jurov: did you read my mpex manual? it's explained
there
jurov: if i had
to stop it every
time
there's unexpected balance discrepance,
that would be several
times per day
mats: in
the future some prior notification would be nice so i could shift into neutral
ascii_field: i personally would not be very astonished
to end up killed in some variation on
this
theme.
punkman: ascii_field: which part in werker
takes 6 weeks?
ascii_field: but
this requires not only rewrite but
the remaking of pgpdump lib !
ascii_field: also would be nice
to NOT ignore
the 5% or so of sks keys
that have utf8-isms in'em
ascii_field: mircea_popescu is very much right
that
the
thing ought
to save itself nightly. but
this in fact requires rewrite.
ascii_field: (incidentally, it ~is~ possible
to do
this faster by splitting multiplications into a
tree and distributing between machines. but
this is considerably more moving part
than what we have now, and quite enough for ph.d.
thesis)
mircea_popescu: i don't care about
the site being down an hour a day,
to save its guts.
mircea_popescu: during which we just established jack shit's
taking place.
ascii_field: and while it happens no multiplication can
take place.
ascii_field: jurov: problem is
that it
takes a while
to - reliably - save or load a GB.
jurov: that make it even more important
to snapshot it
ascii_field: consider, flip so much as one bit in
the product
ascii_field: phuctor is one of
those
things
that is mechanically deadly simple on paper but very, very easy
to fuck up irrevocably in practice
ascii_field: and it is
the only way of having moduli be retestable without
temporarily unphuctoring
them
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: some
things cannot be retrofitted.
this is one of
them.
ascii_field: thing is, it also needs
to be rebuilt as discussed before, where it stores ~known factors of any given modulus~ in
the db
mircea_popescu: it can go straighht
to ml, and it can be an early 2nd simpler project
to handle via V
mircea_popescu: it occurs
to me
this;d be a fine project for a young gent. "here's
this code alf himself wrote (in
two hours). here's
the problem. fix it without breaking anyhing!"
jurov: i appreciate very much. but can't readily imagine
this situation
ascii_field: jurov: appreciate,
the
thing was written in a coupla hours.
jurov: if it's sane python+sql, maybe
two lines
jurov: you swear on bitcoind's bdb hardwired in, yet you apparently did
the same with phuctor and sqlite? O.o
mircea_popescu: heck,
the db shouldn't even complain, just hold
the data
mircea_popescu: what does your factorizer do if
the db returns "wait" or w/e it returns if a lock's active
ascii_field: it was an ultra-minimal design,
that cannot be changed at all without making 25x more complicated.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: not effectively. recall,
the
two processes do not know about one another.
mircea_popescu: mats lucky
that
the us was corrected up from
the previous corection of 4.5
ascii_field: mno, what happens is
that
the result is not consistent.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field go in as root, lock
the db, dump it, unlock it.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field so
that db, can't it be snapshotted by a
third
thing ?
ascii_field: right now
the factorizer and
the web crud are entirely separate programs
mircea_popescu: "I was amazed
that
they were able
to persuade RMS not
to block
the conversion
to C++, and as
the article points out, five years of plugins have not led
to disaster;"
ascii_field: this,
too, means rewriting a good chunk of
the
thing.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field can't it be made
to dump
the product
to disk along with some state every however long ? once a day ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field was quoting from a summary of
that ast debate someone linked.
ascii_field: but do not have
the
time, and don't know when i will.
mircea_popescu: "I recognize
that you don't want me
to "change
the subject"
to refactoring, but I don't see
this as a change of subject."
ascii_field: so what, monkey
tasked with pulling out my mains cord, his arms will get
tired?