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mats: its decently responsive and I like
the action
trinque: mats: what does
the keyboard feel like?
trinque: the startup logo corner
tends
to stack up
trinque: go for quantity; stops working, pitch it out
the window
trinque: ben_vulpes: gentleman we know has
the right idea; just stack up old
thinkpads
mats: i had some play
time with a 'surface pro 3' and it was p good
ben_vulpes: i have an mbp, 15", only
took it out
to play eulora once and a while because i got ubuntu on it waaay ways ago
phf: i
think i have
the last matte mbp screen, which is another
thing
ben_vulpes: $bizpartner got
the new delicate
thing
ben_vulpes: things are cookies
these days, granted.
trinque: I am a barbarian, can't be
trusted with delicate
things
trinque: I don't get
the sense
that
Tim Cook would beat someone with one if he didn't approve of it
phf: ben_vulpes: i'm having a hard
time finding a better laptop including later mbp models, which have gone downhill even more
trinque: felt
the same way about a pentium 3
thinkpad I had
trinque: I doused elderbook (as it came
to be called) with beer, coffee, god knows what else
ben_vulpes: i dont know why anyone would
treat an apple product as anything but a disposable
terminal
phf: "this is my laptop.
there are many like it"
trinque: I had a 2007 black macbook
that lasted 7-8 years
phf: he doesn't understand. i recently switched keyboards on
this laptop, now
that is not an operation for people with shaky hands. requires complete removal of guts and
then removing ~~200 screws
that attach
the keyboard
to
the frame.
trinque: maybe he
treats his better
phf: my colleague has been
telling me
that x1 carbon is
the best laptop. in fact he's been
trashing my mbp over it
trinque: and a piece of shit one at
that
trinque: phf: yeah,
this is mostly a mobile
terminal
assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 22:47:11; pete_dushenski: only learning
through
trial and error
ben_vulpes: by virtue of writing
the crud once and driving oodles of business
through it.
phf: i
thought consensus here was
that real computers only come in atx
tower cases
assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 22:18:22; mircea_popescu:
the obviousness of all
this is inescapable if one actually has at
the same
time
the intellectual werewithal
to regard
the matter and
the emotional disinterest of not giving a shit about
the whole lot of it.
trinque: nice strong metal hinge;
that part's still doing great
trinque: this is where
the hinge attaches
to
the screen
ben_vulpes: i ripped a part of
the nominal 'metal' out of a compressed air nailgun
two weekends back
ben_vulpes: and not,
to hit
the other end of
the spectrum, gabriel_laddel
trinque: so ask me what holds
the screen onto
this X1 CARBON
phf: i write way more python
then lisp,
there i said it
trinque: psycopg for db, yep, very common for python
to just
tape various C libraries
together
phf: ben_vulpes: i'm not sure why
that would be a controversial point. how does something like
trig functions work in python?
they don't,
they are a call out
to system level math library
trinque: wraps
the
thing rather closely
assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 21:45:32; ascii_field: which was astonishing, because debug.log ~does~ mention it (as linked earlier) -
though it is not correlated
temporally with your node's disconnects as seen on my end
trinque: ah well maybe more broadly
than
that; it's gonna be a system you can run c stuff, open files, do socket io, etc
ben_vulpes: ("how's
the water
today, boys?" "water?!")
phf: there's cpython which behaves ~mostly~ consistently across
the system, but its behavior is part convention/part emergent details of C code and
to a very significant part
the details of
the underlying unix
trinque: ah I see; we were
talking completely at crossways
then
phf: trinque: anyway,
the original distinction was not about hosts not being a python datastructure, it's
the fact
that you can't separate python semantics from
the underlying os, which is unix/posix/x86/ieee combined in various forms
phf: but your file manipulation dictionary is speced out
to be a somewhat conventional
tree like file/directory
thing
trinque: maybe
the filesystem is just a giant swapfile
trinque: where's
the fundamentalism in
that
trinque: yeah hosts was my pick because it's easy
to see it being interesting globally
phf: you have
to have some set of global variables, even if it's only a state on
the first execution of (main)
ben_vulpes: what's
the difference between "everything is a file" and "global variables" anyways
trinque still wants his purely functional firewall
thinger
trinque: ben_vulpes: yeah
that'd be hot
trinque: whereas you find
that in /sys or /dev on linux
phf: ben_vulpes: alright,
that was an unfair comment, but i was
trying
to say
that
the focus is wrong.
ben_vulpes: setq an alist
that shit you care about uses
to look
things up?
trinque: not where
the actual fucking
thing lives
today
trinque: both missing
the point. I am asking stylistically where something like an /etc/hosts would live
ben_vulpes: the impl handls
the dns parts of pathnames
phf: but
there's a pathname spec
that lets your implementation answer
that question for you
phf: trinque:
that's not a particularly interesting question
trinque: I'm feeling around in
the dark, would love
to know
trinque: so answer
the question. where would a lookup
table like /etc/hosts go if
the system were completely made of lisp?
phf: trinque: yeah, i'm also
talking about owning
the machine
trinque: I was addressing "own
the machine" not CL
trinque: phf: and if
that useful computation is DNS?
phf: common lisp specification is written in a such a way
that you don't need
to know anything about
the outside world
to fully replicate a ~useful~ computation
trinque: ben_vulpes: "doesn't own
the machine" sounds
to me like "/etc/hosts isn't a python data structure"
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: would you elaborate on "own
the machine" and a) why it should and b) how python does not?
BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform
takes off hat <<
To inspect in head?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> now, old dog hands inform me
that
the absolutely irresistible
treat,
to dog, is cat shit. << Any kind of shit really.
ben_vulpes: it's software
that i must run
that does not fit in my head!
ben_vulpes: well i've not parsed v in its entirety into my head yet, and after bitcoin i'm loath
to run software
that doesn't fit in my head.