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trinque: I'd like to know the cheeky bastard that invites him *after* Pizarro gets rolling.
BlueAngelHost: I am owner of this company
BlueAngelHost: i have his email but I think its not good to reveal some one's email address here
BlueAngelHost: unfortunately I don't know his real name as we allow anonymous registration
BlueAngelHost: i am a hosting provider company name (BlueAngelHost)
BlueAngelHost: I am invited by one of my client
shinohai: I was gonna ask how La Whores are, but he probably wouldn't get the joke.
mod6: I'll give you a second chance here.
lobbes: I saw in logs that spyked was trying things to get it to work. You ever get that working, spyked? ☟︎
lobbes: Anyone else got trilema's fancy js-text-selection working in their version of mp-wp? I ripped the js directly from trilema.com and slapped it into my 'footer.php', but no dice thus far. Is there some trick I'm missing?
mircea_popescu: i expect a good portion is paid in stampbooks yeah
shinohai: Now I want some lox and onions instead of this terrible bland shit.
mircea_popescu: in other news, holy shit tuna is great here. $25 will buy you a kg of such fine fresh stuff as i've ever seen.
BingoBoingo: Possibru? I spotted frogthing walking with girl, thought about relaying the story on IRC then realized, this is what cameras are for.
mircea_popescu: i guess they were looking for a good excuse to go out.
shinohai: Is anyone else that has used Bitpay gotten the message where you have to have a compatible btc client open to make payment? Last I tried it wouldn't let you copy the actual btc addy, you had to either scan a qr or let system open your client.
mircea_popescu: "oh, i wonder what happened" "let's have a brainstorming about it" "oh, good idea. but can we say what actually happened ?" "no wai!"
mircea_popescu: apparently they had nfi the trickle i was throwing their way constituted most of their business (or rather, more of the same http://trilema.com/2018/and-in-todays-lulz-the-obnoxious-cocksucker/ hallucinations). should be fun to see what happens now that i'm turning off that faucet.
shinohai: No, I only do drugs *after* I get to the hospital.
shinohai: I seriously do not understand how junkies function everyday. Feels like it takes me 10 minutes to type the reply it took me 5 minutes to formulate
shinohai: I'm high on morphine at the moment, forgive me if my thougtz arent so clear
shinohai: I dunno, just read that article earlier and remembered I have a pokarbot already, just needs tweaks.
lobbes: Biggest challenge for me was I had to figure out how to set up mysql for mp-wp via command-line (as I interact with my VPSen via ssh only). Turned out to be very simple once I did figure it out. Currently testing and tweaking themes, and then plan to post my own compendium cobbled from my notes once I get the thing into "production"
lobbes: in other new, I was able to erect mp-wp on my local test machine using hanbot's excellent guide for n00bs like me (I had never used ANY wp previously) >> http://thewhet.net/2017/10/a-compendium-of-possibly-helpful-stuffs-for-erecting-mircea-popescus-wordpress-with-nearly-free-speech-hosting/
lobbes: ahh that's right. I'd wager that'd be it as well
shinohai: !~later tell jurov I wish to donate my Feb. Qntra shares to the Bitcoin Foundation, please to advise as to how to proceed.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo very marginally maybe worth a lulz : github took down however many forks of project aiming at taking ads out of "spotify" which is some scamvalley "service" doing ~nothing in particular. << I will look into it, maybe try to find something to twofer it with
mod6: In UTF-8 news, I've been working on a re-grind. There's a number of things I want to talk about, so I'm in the process of writing up a "blog" post on mod6.net about it.
mircea_popescu: i probably exaggerated ; but carry on in teh spirit an godspeed to you.
esthlos: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-07#1787167 << got it, thank you for helping to beat the pantsuit out of me. now I'll shut up and be useful ☝︎
mircea_popescu: in these terms the infantile "i only want to solve problem Y defined as 80% of the actual problem" readily shows its infantilism. good and well that you want to build an os without a socio-political model ; but what you want dun enter into this.
a111: Logged on 2018-03-08 18:59 asciilifeform: re the standard ffi, the lispm folks, as i understand, saw it as an instance of http://trilema.com/2016/unicode-is-fucking-stupid-the-definitive-article/#selection-187.80-187.399 , and i'm not convinced that they were wrong
a111: Logged on 2018-03-08 19:33 ave1: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787249, this also, although I can work with /dev/urandom just fine. I just needed to turn remove the tty call.
mircea_popescu: honestly i'd re-read it, showed the signs of a great novelist in the rough. rather clemens-like.
asciilifeform: lol all i found was http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-30#1690897 ☝︎
asciilifeform: i'ma have to translate it at some point
a111: Logged on 2016-01-21 13:29 asciilifeform: 'if i make it what i think is the right size, it crashes!111'
asciilifeform: even aside from shitoshi, historically i've found 'microshit as mothertongue' people to be ~instantly recognizable (from their output)
asciilifeform: i'd compare it to english -- harmless to learn for talking to folx on the net, but just about lethal as a mothertongue
mircea_popescu: ave1 i will say the "test harness for rsa/etc" is a very solid usecase for file-fed fg-emu.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787348 << depends entirely who'd it won it with, i guess. certainly smgl winning with naggum didn't work out (though a good argument can be brought that's not nearly what happened there). ☝︎
mircea_popescu: if i ask hanbot 's pitts anything they always say "woof", also. great pits they are.
asciilifeform: if you ask a c programmer why he thinks it is acceptable to define , e.g, string, as 'pointer into a potentially infinite row of crapola, maybe someone forgot the null terminator' he will ~always bring back answer of 'stfu, terrorist' (i.e. 'never thought about it, and don't intend to')
mircea_popescu: and i very much suspect any man who ever answered a why with "so that...". because really now.
ave1: asciilifeform, yes I concur. Will work more on it tomorrow... (now back to reading)
mircea_popescu: mind that there's two classes of response to "why ... ?" : one is "because..." and the other is "i never thought of this before...". there's no "topurpose..." in there notably, there's just the two, and one of the two will always be the case.
asciilifeform: so can haz a hypothetical contrary ? i.e. how would it have looked to have 'standard interface' to a thing which itself has no intention of obeying any standards ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: but they missed the opportunity to make sense of themselves, for themselves. and if this specifically didn't kill them, the root it belies i reckon nevertheless did.
mircea_popescu: when i respond to random idiots in here i don't do so ~because of the idiots~. i do so because the statement is valuable and important to people who aren't the idiots. much like flint makes fire not because of the shitty whatever that hits it, but because ~IT~ is flint.
asciilifeform: ave1: the reason i wrote my mechanism as seen in ch8, is not only that it was the simplest physically possible that i could think of , but that i regard any invocation of randomola where i cannot substitute a known value for testing, as a serious problem -- how is one to know that the proggy actually does what is claimed with the randomola ? rather than, e.g., 'lose' some (or all of it) along the way and take a constant as the 'rando
ave1: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787249, this also, although I can work with /dev/urandom just fine. I just needed to turn remove the tty call. ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: ( phf , i suspect, knows more re: exactly how this was built, than i , if yer curious re detail )
trinque: I can see the merits of the latter, and why it ends up winning.
asciilifeform: ( on my systems i init the FG's tty at boot, so i did not bake it into ffacalc )
trinque: asciilifeform: I don't think you take my meaning. Killing bacteria is a fine thing if you do it; the lisp guys didn't. Another strategy is engulfing bacteria and making it part of your digestive process, with all the added complexity and risk that entails.
ave1: I've just read it, the function in the eucrypt code works similar
ave1: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787233, good point, I have been thinking of other ways. The basic use case is to have a way to test the key generation (and other operations) in a repeatable way. With a live random generator this is impossible. Also time is a factor here, with a correctly primed file, I can generate a key in a second, without it can be a process that takes from 6 seconds to an hour (empirically determined) ☝︎
trinque: apparently low enough to learn c++, which I refused to lift into my head nearly all my career until trb.
asciilifeform: the correct algo, i suspect, is not to lament an abstract 'lisp' that 'became' wrong thing, but to simply confiscate whole stack from the heathens.
asciilifeform: re the standard ffi, the lispm folks, as i understand, saw it as an instance of http://trilema.com/2016/unicode-is-fucking-stupid-the-definitive-article/#selection-187.80-187.399 , and i'm not convinced that they were wrong ☟︎
mircea_popescu: yeah, i can see the argument.
asciilifeform: re the process separation -- it is moar of a cardboard wall than actual wall, yes. i for one still prefer cardboard to no wall at all between toilet and kitchen.
a111: Logged on 2018-03-08 17:51 phf: lisp failed to even identify the need for ffi, when it was standardized i don't think there even were lisps that could or needed to ffi, since they all ran on lisp machines
a111: Logged on 2018-02-14 15:02 mircea_popescu: (this is the deep, and political meaning of the rowhammer class of attacks : it has rendered amazon's business entirely worthless ; much like basic physics make tesla be a paper-only usg venture, so now the last remaining flagship. all hopes now pinned on googles artificial "intelligence" [and i guess "quantum" wank].)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787272 << and maybe they never said anything about this anywhere nor is there anyone in charge of the project i could ask and he could point me to the log line nor anything else. bloody fucking hell. maybe. maybe i fucked their mothers and they never told me they got caught, and now i have a bunch of idiotic sons with congenital clap. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: also fucking terrible comments interface you got there ; how do i know how many there are ? before clicking on the article ; and how do i visually separate them, and why aren';t they numbered and so on. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: yes well. not what we're talking aboot. and now i shall proceed to reread this monsterball.
mircea_popescu: but it is no kind of success, unless i nthe vein of bare life, zoon bacterion.
mircea_popescu: most unadnotated* i mean.
mircea_popescu: they had been to the "theater", in the very coquettish baroque building here, where i have coffee. the play was some "Bram stoker's dracula" production, but of course it had nothing to do with it, and you can tell by the following sign :
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787294 << but one wouldn't so dare. yes, i'm aware what passes for theater among the huts has more in common with punch and judy and organ grinding than anything. speaking of which -- yesterday my coffee wasd disturbed by chorus of overexcited pubescent girlies. ☝︎
phf: lisp failed to even identify the need for ffi, when it was standardized i don't think there even were lisps that could or needed to ffi, since they all ran on lisp machines ☟︎
mircea_popescu: phf i can't resolve the antecedents, what is "that" in "that explanation" and what is "that" in "that would be the concern" ?
phf: i don't think that explanation quite addresses the analogy, though that would be the concern
mircea_popescu: im not sure i understand the problem. explain this to me, why can't i talk to c world on my terms ?
phf: i think i'll write it up separately, because i like the approach. you have a generic package pointers, that you specialize with C types, like Interfaces.C.Pointers (Index => size_t, Element => char, Element_Array => char_array), and then you do explicit pointer arithmetic using procedures on that.
mircea_popescu: i thought that kitty item is a bot at first, which is why i said hi. it's a woman.
phf: i think i might've still used yet another ada/c interop. it's not the char_ptr, it's interfaces.c.pointer
mircea_popescu: no i meant teh density.
mircea_popescu: "the log" being today 70 lines or 2k words. i don't think this ever happeend before in teh history of irc.
mircea_popescu: we will evidently have a ffa-based, canonical gpg replacement. EVENTUALLY. until such an eventually, i don't feel so great recommending anyone gpg (or, heavens help us, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774477 -- just as i had to do, and recently). so a drop-in, eucrypt-based, "good enough" item is more than useful. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-03-08 14:38 ave1: I've started on http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-28#1786498, in Ada code and now I'm debating if I shouldn't just move the code to C as the eucrypt interface is C. But then maybe eucrypt will move to FFA someday in the future and Ada will be a benifit. (Working on code with lot's of C calls in Ada is not nice...)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787224 << i don't expect eucrypt will ever move to ffa. this is in no sense a disidence, or any negative comment on ffa whatsoever. they are intended and designed as very different usecase solutions -- note the speed differential incumbent. eucrypt works as a "good enough" item, it principally intends to support a game, and same-level crypto needs. it's consequently to be light, fast, and ~r ☝︎
mircea_popescu: but just like we don't do the esthlos "o hai guise, i contribute half hour every third week between my radiomodelling hour and my watching cheerleader sports in the den" github dev model, we also don't do the "we'll underwrite your complexity under our brand" torvalds approach.
a111: Logged on 2018-03-08 14:20 ave1: I want to use a single "entropy" file.
a111: Logged on 2018-03-08 14:27 ave1: I'll have to think about it, I do not want to make changes that make things more complex for "reasons" and then more complex enzovoorts enzovoorts. And then end up with PGP
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787213 << i'm glad to hear. ☝︎
diana_coman: as to trying eulora: it's not time consuming really; I guess the initial jump can seem intimidating until you figure out what is what and what to do
diana_coman: trouble with the future is that it is...the future; I'd have gladly avoided C all together but unfortunately mpi is in C and then eulora relies on a lot of C code still
ave1: I've started on http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-28#1786498, in Ada code and now I'm debating if I shouldn't just move the code to C as the eucrypt interface is C. But then maybe eucrypt will move to FFA someday in the future and Ada will be a benifit. (Working on code with lot's of C calls in Ada is not nice...) ☝︎☟︎
ave1: No, not yet, I want to do that one of these days. (Real life keeps interfering)
diana_coman: heh, there is that slippery slope; and note that in all that there, it's still that darned mpi that is the biggest part and I am absolutely not convinced it has to be THAT big
diana_coman: for completeness: there is in fact a performance penalty for opening/closing the entropy source repeatedly, so from this point of view yes, you'd want it open and reused; that being said, it's not a massive penalty and atm I can live with it
ave1: I'll have to think about it, I do not want to make changes that make things more complex for "reasons" and then more complex enzovoorts enzovoorts. And then end up with PGP ☟︎
diana_coman: you can certainly do it the way you describe - I don't see a hard reason against it if you are all right with passing the handle around/keeping track of it everywhere; other than that, the functionality itself should be fine
ave1: I understand, and then the handle will also be needed in the gen keypair etc.
diana_coman: to answer the question directly: you can certainly do it with reuse; the reason I avoided it there is because otherwise the caller needs to handle/be aware of the entropy source per se; which did not really belong in the caller
ave1: I want to use a single "entropy" file. ☟︎
ave1: Yes, I understand that part. I'm looking at 'get_random_prime'. Which will be called twice to generate a key-pair.
ave1: diana_coman, I'm reading through the eucrypt / RSA code and see that the 'get_random_prime' function will open and close the random number generator itself. I would like to open the entropy source once and reuse it, but maybe there is good reason to do it like this and I should not attempt to do it differently?