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mircea_popescu: ag3nt_zer0 which illiterate murican fail
to understand stuff written in french
through
the age old process of not being able
to read it ?
mircea_popescu: hey most intelligent person in japan,
that were on
tokyofashion
thingee, drop a line.
ag3nt_zer0: then its own promulgation is impossible since in
the existentialist universe
there is no room for an objective and unwavering intellection."
ag3nt_zer0: "A patent example of
the classic contradiction in question here—a contradiction characterizing for
the most part all modern
thought—is provided by existentialism, which postulates a definition of
the world
that is impossible if existentialism itself is possible.
There are only
two alternatives: either objective knowledge—a knowledge
that is
therefore absolute in its own order—is possible, which proves
that existen
andychase: If
that's
true
then great, I'd like
to
take
that form of validation and put it into a formal process
that can be used for approving or rejecting changes
to Bitcoin
shinohai: I
think WoT proves we are each unique and valuable members of
the community
shinohai: I have been so worried all
this
time
that our opinion would never be validated.
andychase: Basically make your opinion matter by proving
that you aren't sock puppet accounts and are actually unique and valuable memebers of
the Bitcoin ecosystem
shinohai: "make
their opinion validated"
andychase: I'd like
to
take
that kind of system and move it up so a community like
this one can make
their opinion validated as part of
the process for improving bitcoin
andychase: well for bips,
they decide, and other clients like btcd
take
their bips into consideration
andychase: currently
the system is
the core devs decide
andychase: I feel like we've gone a bit off
topic a bit. I'd love
to hear your opinions on a system for reviewing and indicating full approval on changes
to
the Bitcoin protocol
andychase: yeah so in your case an upgrade would be replacing components, raising
the satoshi client
to a higher standard
andychase: raise (something)
to a higher standard, in particular improve (equipment or machinery) by adding or replacing components.
BingoBoingo: ANd seriously what
the fuck is an "upgrade"
mats: eye of
the beholder and all
that
BingoBoingo: mats: Do
the several BIP 66 forks all count as one, or do we have
to go back and count
them all
andychase: I
think you guys know what I meant :) You can upgrade your btcd client
the same way
to recieve
the BIP66 changes
mats: how many 'oops' hard forks are we up
to now?
three?
shinohai: That statement caused me
to eject beer from my nose ....
andychase: @bingoboingo:
The BIP66 change was easy
to "fix", just upgrade your clients and make sure a majority is upgrading before activating
andychase: but for merchants
that might work, if
they'd be up
to reaching into
their cold wallets
BingoBoingo: If
the BIP
to enforce stricter signature encoding standards nearly failed, how is any other BIP
to succeed now?
mats: 'stake in
the Bitcoin ecosystem' seems written specifically not
to mean anything useful
BingoBoingo: andychase: But
the fix in BIP 66 was
the least controversial
thing in
the world and it was a very difficult change because Bitcoin is an actual consensus system.
andychase: Well BIP66 fixed a consensus fork for miners running 32-Bit and 64-Bit computers,
the shitshow happened because miners weren't validating blocks
BingoBoingo: Sure, but
the least controversial one (BIP 66) still created a huge shitshow when it was
triggered.
andychase: Hm, what do you mean?
There's quite a few being considered right now and all
the
time.
BingoBoingo: Honestly it is really
too late for further BIPs
to really be considered at all
andychase: Although
to be honest I had a hard
time understanding fully what you were
talking about in regards
to
the flaws in
the BIP process. Was it just
that
the Core Devs hadn't really
talked
to
the miners or understood what was going on?
andychase: I read your article called "Chain Fork Reveals BIP Process Broken" and I was wondering what your
thoughts might be on my recent [BIP/Draft] Committee-based BIP Acceptance Process proposal.
trinque: but better
to know yourself and improve
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: heh, ego solvent,
this place is, eh?
ag3nt_zer0: kakobrekla: well I used
to
think I was a decent wordsmith until I stumbled onto
trilema contravex and loperos haha... but yeah perhaps qntra is something
to aspire
to contribute
to...
trinque: she also made it
through mod6's gentoo guide
☟︎ trinque: ag3nt_zer0: should you wanna
take care of
that literacy, I've got a chick going
through
that interactive SICP, seems
to be working out for her
jurov: ag3nt_zer0:
there's qntra, for example
ag3nt_zer0: on another
topic, I wonder is
there anything a programming illiterate, or super noob relative
to
the experience level in here, can do
to make himself useful
to
the ongoing labors of
this group?
trinque: this might be
the first one I'm at all pleased with
trinque: but I'm solidly in
the hobbyist category
trinque: nah, if I ever get
this one
to export maybe I'll
throw on
the www
trinque spends weeks on a song in Renoise
to find it wont export WAVs
ben_vulpes: and just as certainly leave you complaining
that
things never get done unless you do
them yourself.
☟︎ ag3nt_zer0: asciilifeform: I am pretty sure I ended up at
http://cluborlov.blogspot.com due
to you referencing
the unspell project... do you have any more leads on smart blogs for geopolitics/economics etc?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: politely
telling me
to
take my patches and go home?
ag3nt_zer0: and I suppose, for me,
that
there are minds I quite respect in
this room, yours among
them, and would hope
to hear any
thoughts...
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be identified via GPG
to use
the order book.
ben_vulpes: in other news, i'm off
to a baby shower
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 02:08:18; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform>
the other interesting
thing is
that
the market is segmented in such a way
that anyone who doesn't want mcfood ends up paying for ~all~
the alt-crackpotteries, not merely
the logical ones <<
this is a very valid point, and
the one spot where alf's ideas re meta-lizzards sound most persuasive. i do not believe
the market is gerrymandered as it is by accident.
ben_vulpes: ahaha look at all of
these python
tabs i can close now
ben_vulpes: but
the dream of distributed marketplaces is alive in #otc.
ben_vulpes: time
to manually generate some svgs, eh?
punkman: I
think I might hook it up
to graphviz for visualization
punkman: asciilifeform: I only
thought about it for 5 min but it seems like
the solution
to
this would be a bit complex