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anton_osika: mircea_popescu: I have
to say
that I do agree with you regarding ETH not being
the best of bets
though.
mircea_popescu: i was
trying
to aim for you know, 3-6 months after release, little did i imagine
their "xmas" will be august
trinque: you didn't lose
that; you made sure you never got it
trinque: yeah but
that was
the upside back
to him, right? he only put in 3btc
mircea_popescu: trinque well no, since
the eth was WAY later
than what
they originally promised,
the short lived launch bubble happened right around now.
nubbins`: but first seems
to explicitly disallow a signed "plz deliver
to
this key instead" message.
nubbins`: tbh i have no idea what second sentence has
to do with first
nubbins`: "S.MG will not process or administer any assignments of
this Warrant by or among
third parties.
The administration of any such contracts remains
the sole responsibility of
the respective parties involved."
mircea_popescu: anton_osika i would propose you're not experienced enough
to crypto
to make it
the repository of your life savings.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu i'm not 100% sure
that our contract allows such
mircea_popescu: nubbins` it's a risky but perhaps useful approach. "All assignables belonging
to key X should henceforth be
transferred
to key X which has full authority
to bla bla"
nubbins`: but if i'm
the sort of person who loses keys, i'm also
the sort of person who loses signed statements.
nubbins`: if i were
the sort of jackass who went around losing keys, i'd probably sign some messages preemptively
to
take care of
things in case
that happened
mircea_popescu: don';t get
the wrong idea, anton_osika : i actually like you.
nubbins`: guy does not seem
to get
this point.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` if
there was an address i'd have sent
teh eth already.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu and fwiw "world of nubbins" is a world in which contracts are entered and people retain
their keys
nubbins`: there is no cryptographic equivalent of
this.
nubbins`: the illiterate used
to draw an X. you could do
that with your mouth.
mircea_popescu: i mean
that without your signature you have no rights and properly speaking don't even exist.
nubbins`: anton_osika you're asking me if i would reach
the same conclusion if
the situation were entirely different?
anton_osika: nubbins`: Would you say
the same
thing
to someone
that Lost his right hand for signing documents and is looking you dead in
the face?
mircea_popescu: there exists no suych
thing as "physical credibility".
nubbins`: since you can't prove you're you, nothing can be agreed upon
thence
anton_osika: My aim was
to settle
this with as much of my physical credibility at stake as possible. Which is why Anton Osika is my real username, with everything publicaly available on me (I'm in
the phonebook). If ones physical identity can be a backup for WoT
then it might strengthen WoT.
nubbins`: specifically,
this snipped sealed your fate: "in a manner
to be agreed upon
thence"
trinque: nubbins`: yeah, just
that some guy with a particular gpg key would receive
the eth
nubbins`: oh look at
that,
the contract literally does not state how
the ETH will be delivered
phf: asciilifeform: ben_vulpes:
that could easily be
the last remaining such machine,
the nvidia ball grid plague killed
them all, i
thought. << have one of
those, you can manually switch with some hacks which video card is used at all
times, i have it running on integrated, which prevents real 3d from happening, but hopefully extends life
anton_osika: Well
the power of WoT lies in how large it will scale.
anton_osika: mircea_popescu: I see it as encouraging for new users
to use WoT without being afraid.
trinque: there's no "eth" payout address in
the contract
nubbins`: lel. maybe you shoulda worded
the contract such.
mircea_popescu: this way, it's inspirational of
the people i actually like.
mircea_popescu: mnop. cuz i don't want
to encourage
the world of nubins and anton_osika. i want
to encourage
the world of wot and signatures.
anton_osika: Could you let me have
this with my freenode auth, if no one else claims
to be antonosika, and I will stop pestering you and how is a man of his words?
anton_osika: I still don't see
that it explicitly states
that antonosika needs a signature for delivery however :)
anton_osika: mircea_popescu: Hey since I read your first draft of
the contract between you and me I have learnt a lot.
nubbins`: anton_osika not my contract so i have NFI. but i don't see anything in
there
that requires you
to
take any further action
anton_osika: nubbins`: You mean
the BTC payout address is enough?
trinque: anton_osika: it specifies your key fingerprints right
there
nubbins`: looks like it's
tied
to a payout address and nothing else
anton_osika: trinque: It's not explicitly
tied
to a gpg key in
the contract, rather antonosika
anton_osika: I see it as fingerprints as a
tool for simplifying proofs of physical identities, not replacing
them. Might be good for
the sake of lowering worries when entering contracts
to be able
to specify point of delivery, if unquestioned, with an alternative identification?
trinque: the idea
that
the contract is
tied
to
the gpg identity is inherent
to
the very fact
that
the fucking
thing's signed by
that gpg key
BingoBoingo: Well, you've not only lost your hands, you've lsot
the idea of having hands
anton_osika: Right,
the way I see it is just
that I had a business deal regarding delivery but I lost my hands so I can sign no more documents.
BingoBoingo: Or maybe
try
to uncorrupt youre backup, but I have no idea where you could start on
that
BingoBoingo: anton_osika:
There really anything I can advise other
than working
to develop a
time machine so you could have made better backups.
nubbins`: if you sent aliens an accurate picture of
the current state of affairs,
they'd
turn us into space dust
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The Guardian ... (
http://bit.ly/1Lb5lNJ )
nubbins`: BET
THERE'S A STORY WE'LL NEVER HEAR BEHIND
THAT
nubbins`: canada sold all its gold, save 3
tons, in ~2006
cazalla: run more windows, raised more kids in
the western world
type deal eh
trinque: at least when
the dulap comes
they can claim
they helped make
the kid, lol
cazalla: kids are sorta like housing in
that you're expected
to pay for it, look after it, maintain it but in no way can you actually do what you want with it because you don't really own it.. as mentioned here many
times
cazalla: goes beyond
the parents
these days
though, kids are seen as owned by
the community and all
that shit, i expect
to meet a lot of opposition and resistance in
the years ahead
☟︎ cazalla: so perhaps you're right and it's just
the dosage
cazalla: of course, was more
than a kick in
the ass
cazalla: trinque, i copped it from a young age
too and
these are
the only memories I have around
the ages of 4-5 , not convinced it would actually do my son any benefit
trinque: cazalla: I'd say by about 2 or 3 you could encounter a mild pop on
the ass in my family for screaming fits and other carrying on
danielpbarron: nubbins`> "don't run away, sweetie, someone might
take you!"
to a 3yo << reminds me of
this odd phrase a friend's son uses: "what's it gonna do
to me?" // I suspect it's
the result of public school
teaching him
that anything not blessed by
the state is dangerous
trinque: or more specifically allowing
them
to
think
that
the world is something which brings you what you want when you scream
trinque: but when
they start developing a personality,
that's where I
think you can do great damage by not
teaching
them self-restraint
trinque: ah sure
that young,
they're going
to scream and do all sorts of nonsensical
things
cazalla: not at 20 months, maybe 6-7 years of age.. but who knows, maybe i've grown soft having not had a fight or been punched in some
time
☟︎ trinque: and I understood
that just fine when I was little
trinque: I'm advocating
the swift kick in
the ass, not saying "no".
cazalla: at least
that is what i've observed with my own son..
telling him no does seem
to encourage
the behaviour more, so we usually ignore or draw as little attention
to it as possible
cazalla: trinque, i really don't
think
they'd understand or be able
to make a connection between
their behaviour and your reaction
☟︎ trinque: seems a simple formula: If you hit
this
thing
that feeds you, it's going
to kill you instead.
nubbins`: so all
this is "other people's problems"
nubbins`: anyway, i'm way
too selfish and irresponsible
to sire a child
trinque: well no, cartman had cunning; I wont give him
that compliment
cazalla: i don't
think dishing out some old fashioned discipline
to
the
toddler is really going
to help either
nubbins`: as if "take you" has any meaning
to a
toddler
nubbins`: "don't run away, sweetie, someone might
take you!"
to a 3yo
trinque: because reason is something you fall out of
the womb with, not something carved into your haphazard mess of a brain
☟︎ nubbins`: nevermind
that his brain won't work like
that for another half-decade at best
trinque: just appeal
to his inner reason!
nubbins`: as if being not very nice is a
thing
this animal would abhor
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trinque: really, no one says
there has
to be any sane solution
cazalla: you'd have no shortage of do-gooders running
to
the kid's rescue.. difficult
to raise kids properly in
the welfare state because big daddy comes and clips you one
too
cazalla: let's say she
turns around and clips
the kid across
the face, in public
trinque: this bitch was like "Now whateveryourname,
that isn't very nice is it?"
trinque: sure it's normal once, and normal for
the kid
to be corrected right
then
cazalla: of course now,
the parents don't respond by hitting back but by
taking
the kid
through a circus of doctors
cazalla: not sure, but i
think
that is pretty normal for kids
to lash out at
their parents
trinque: isn't just a disservice
to her;
that kid's going
to be fucking useless
trinque: like my oft-mentioned case of seeing
the kid punching his mother in
the
tit at
the grocery store
trinque: and I
think on
the other side, without
that, you leave
the child without
the ability
to exercise self-restraint at all