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mircea_popescu: foprget that.
mircea_popescu: were these 5 btc put in by the user you got your ripples from /
mircea_popescu: and then you took out 5 btc
mircea_popescu: mkay.
mircea_popescu: a ripple user X shall we say ?
mircea_popescu: from whom ?
mircea_popescu: so listen. you got what, 40k ripples. where from ?
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: this is how things work. social graphs degrade towards the edge
mircea_popescu: is that his cook knows, and the cook fucks this girl on the side who's owned by this guy who owes me a carrot.
mircea_popescu: listen, the way i find out what the president of the republic ate
mircea_popescu: so ?
mircea_popescu: but he also traded it
mircea_popescu: how did the tradefortress guy manage to cause all that havoc
mircea_popescu: but!
mircea_popescu: Namworld so then what's a ripple ?
mircea_popescu: cole_albon no, i meant the naive stone age "free rate repo" system
mircea_popescu: you can't trade your ripples ?
mircea_popescu: Namworld what do you mean ?!
mircea_popescu: Namworld aha ?
mircea_popescu: cole_albon i think you hafta read the scrollback.
mircea_popescu: depends dub, mtgox ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, moral of the story here being, "don't start revolutionary financial shit without an actual financial mind available to suckle on the cock of"
mircea_popescu: and will be raped in the mouth just as soon as someone cares to.
mircea_popescu: the real reason however is that the system doesn't work
mircea_popescu: the developers stupidly assume this happens because never before have there been on the face of the earth genius developers to make a ripple.
mircea_popescu: "people".
mircea_popescu: to rephrase : do you have an inkling of an idea what the 2008 meltdown would have looked like if indeed repo was free ?
mircea_popescu: you can't pass along cp risk w/o fees ?!
mircea_popescu: this has to be paid for.
mircea_popescu: but! when i accept this, i undertake someone's CP risk
mircea_popescu: but as it is... never have, never will.
mircea_popescu: if they credited my acct with ~300 bux for every 100 deposited i'd consider it.
mircea_popescu: Namworld i wouldn't deposit money in mtgox because the mtgox risk requires a premium
mircea_popescu: otherwise no deal.
mircea_popescu: as long as i take debt, ANY debt, i expect a %
mircea_popescu: i don't care lol.
mircea_popescu: that bank is paying interest on the 200
mircea_popescu: as far as i know, if your bank is showing 200 dollars in your account
mircea_popescu: the fact that his debt is accepted is exactly giving him money.
mircea_popescu: what do you mean doesn't get anything ?
mircea_popescu: besides, he doesn't like me, so.
mircea_popescu: [\\\] he's the only person afaik who seriously looked at the thing
mircea_popescu: pigeons you want to give that a read say if i've fucked up anything ?
mircea_popescu: tradefortress pretty much proved this is damned easy
mircea_popescu: (start with 100 scam bux, trade for 100 cvasi-scam bux, trade these for 100 not reallt scam bux, cash out 100 bux)
mircea_popescu: it's worse tho, in as you can probably traverse up the tree
mircea_popescu: sorta
mircea_popescu: [\\\] finally came to me when i saw your dasehs. magic.
mircea_popescu: there, if anyone cares
mircea_popescu: http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/ripple-the-definitive-discussion/
mircea_popescu: anyway.
mircea_popescu: but most never bothered claiming
mircea_popescu: i thought it was way over that
mircea_popescu: like a community appointed liquidator or w/e
mircea_popescu: the wind-up
mircea_popescu: well yes.
mircea_popescu: something
mircea_popescu: shakuru
mircea_popescu: s something
mircea_popescu: who was the guy with the debt ?
mircea_popescu: doesn't fail to amuse ?
mircea_popescu: and i guess this all calls for a write-up
mircea_popescu: rather than the peanut gallery they're trying to get.
mircea_popescu: my bet is that Namworld's 5 btc is coming from the naive investors trying to push it
mircea_popescu: i have my doubts this will pay much in the way of bills
mircea_popescu: but didn't know how.
mircea_popescu: anyway. unless i'm missing something fudnamental (which gets less and less likely as time goes by), ripple is the down syndrome suffering child of some people who really really wanted to matter
mircea_popescu: very theoretical and not particularly related to ripple.
mircea_popescu: a ok in that sense. yes.
mircea_popescu: pirate was giving out steaks to suckers.
mircea_popescu: Namworld not a bad price to push a scam
mircea_popescu: i mean, other than getting retards priced out of BTC some playground where they can pretend like they'll matter later.
mircea_popescu: dub i don't see the merit. what is it ?
mircea_popescu: so you can continue this debate forever. it's cute.
mircea_popescu: Namworld you're uysing a literal definition, he's using a more metaphorical one
mircea_popescu: it's a burden
mircea_popescu: dub ideally people stupid enough to put btc in get releived of the btc
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: complete "i fucking don't understand what bitcoin is so here's a cat with a pancake on its head. just as good"
mircea_popescu: that's what the system is intended for lmao
mircea_popescu: "Even Roger Ver, a.k.a. "Bitcoin Jesus" has to pay his supply chain to keep the Bitcoin Store running, so he can't use Bitcoins either. Roger Ver doesn't accept Bitcoin, he accepts US dollars from BitPay. If even Bitcoin Jesus isn't interested in Bitcoins themselves, then why not let customers use their local currencies from the get-go and take out the Bitcoin middleman?"
mircea_popescu: minus thomas, who i recall as a cheeky asshole.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck are these people anyway ?
mircea_popescu: Arthur Britto, Stefan Thomas, and David Schwartz are major contributors to Ripple's development, and all played an active role in Bitcoin's early successes.
mircea_popescu: same disaster of commons spiral of death as the price for used cars.
mircea_popescu: which is thus useless
mircea_popescu: they tokenize this trust. so basically... instead of having properly identified units you just have one "ripple"
mircea_popescu: the worse part is that not only have they no way to specify da fuck exactly you trust,
mircea_popescu: you trust me for 10k i trust you for 10k nonsense
mircea_popescu: and so they pay each other wioth their own acceptance
mircea_popescu: that reason is that you need to get paid. nobody this stupid has any money
mircea_popescu: basically there's a reason retards were trusting each other randomly
mircea_popescu: ericmuyser yes.
mircea_popescu: if i accept your stuff for 10k btc i expect you to pay me whatever, 2k.
mircea_popescu: you're basically providing liquidity, the only sane way this works is if you get a % fee for each guy you trust
mircea_popescu: right. and you get nothing for this
mircea_popescu: but! you are in effect saying you will take X of this person's issuance with no backing.
mircea_popescu: ericmuyser i kind of suspect you're not quite qualified to discuss systems.
mircea_popescu: imsaguy was handling the (failed) wind-up a year ago