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BingoBoingo: And
the
Torpey derp is papering
the propaganda path for
this outcome well in advance of its public unveiling, hence meriting a neg-rating if he had
the balls
to exist in
the first place.
BingoBoingo: Now
that
the Gavin-Hearn heresy died, next heresy up is Gavin-Garazalick or however Agent J's name is spelled.
BingoBoingo: I'd been
trying
that and upon seeing his latest derp and pete doing rating decided just
to see if a rating could stick
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 14:02:17; asciilifeform:
the oak, on
the other hand, can sleep right
through it.
BingoBoingo: He's
the one author who sorta escaped CCN with
their reputation sorta moo-ocratically intact after
the GAW implosion.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Some derp bouncing between Qntra competitors as
they fail. Fully on whitewashing Obese Blocks as actual bitcoin.
BingoBoingo: "I was supposed
to stay
there and lose all my weight and get down
to 550
to get
the gastric bypass," said Assanti. "That was
their plan."
pete_dushenski: but i
thought
the internet was
the classroom of
the people of
the future of
the lala ?
pete_dushenski: "While in prison,
they learn without
the help of
the Internet, relying instead on resources provided by
the college."
pete_dushenski: "Inmates can earn various degrees
through
the initiative, which is
taught primarily by Bard faculty. About 15 per cent of
the all-male inmates at
the Eastern New York Correctional Facility in Napanoch are enrolled. Graduates of
the program have continued
their studies at Yale and Columbia universities, Kenner said."
pete_dushenski: "Months after winning a national
title, Harvard’s debate
team has fallen
to a group of New York prison inmates."
ascii_field: and i'd say more, but it is a little bit off
topic...
pete_dushenski: ascii_field and where does z80 fit into
this picture ?
pete_dushenski: particularly
the fact
that artist didn't use ruler for all arrows
pete_dushenski: i'm probably ill equipped
to appreciate 'scheme-79' but i like
the hand-drawings !
ascii_field: goes from a program, all
the way
to a chip die generated by said program, AND able
to run it !
pete_dushenski: for a bit of history, when was
the last clean sheet design made ? and by whom ?
the gods ?
ascii_field: all of it maximally proprietary, without exception - microshit-based, and having 'compile
times' measured in weeks or months
ascii_field: NO ONE has, for a very long
time, designed a cpu in
the sense of actually laying out
the
transistors.
ascii_field: but it is important
to understand
the sheer magnitude of
the first counterfactual here.
pete_dushenski: well, even if new cpu was designed, it'd have
to be made at one of a handful of facilities,
the odds of which are ~0, yes ?
ascii_field: (and,
to slightly lesser extent, related peripherals)
pete_dushenski: because of
the costs of 10/14nm chips requiring still more centralisation ? or because 'next one' will necessarily have 'arm', which is only made in 2 places ?
ascii_field: whereas your cpu came from one of
three buildings on
the whole fucking planet.
ascii_field: su actually had competing suppliers, and sometimes entire supply chains, for
things.
ascii_field: really
the other
thing, imho, is more interesting -
that modern
tech is far more of a centralized
thing
than anything in old su ever was
pete_dushenski: as
to how far and how improbably a culture and economy has
to come
to develop
that which we
take for granted.
pete_dushenski: though i'm now starting
to appreciate alf's earlier point about isis : 'show me single kalash bullet'
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: reasonable enough not
to launch a
trillion's worth of au into
the sun.
ascii_field: at
this
time, every single copy of every variant of bitcoin in
the world runs on a cpu designed - and, in almost all cases, made - by
the usg ministry of crudputing !!
pete_dushenski: back
to french 'reasonability' and why
they haven't launched gold into sun, since when are
the french reasonable ?
they're fucking nutbag socialists of
the highest order !
ascii_field: mircea_popescu actually worked some magic
to
try scoring a sample board but nothing came of it.
pete_dushenski: they could
teach ethertards a
thing or
two if
they're ~that~ good.
ascii_field: for all i know, it is a '90s-style chumpatron like
the last elbrus !
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: i do not know for a fact
that elbrus was made.
pete_dushenski: if russia has
the economy
to make elbrus, which can presumable keep
the blockchain, seems odd
that china can't
ascii_field: if we must have a rigorous definition, say 'cpu which can keep
the blockchain'
pete_dushenski: ascii_field as 2010s usa has
trouble keeping up with chian
ascii_field: pete_dushenski:
they had
trouble keeping up with 1980s usa
ascii_field: modern ru was - if we are
to believe elbrus co. - just barely able
to make a handful of 'pentium 1'-equiv. items.
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: because,
to any 'reasonable' person, making french pentium is entirely indistinguishable from
taking
the entire gold reserve and shooting it into
the sun
☟︎ pete_dushenski: what's different about usg/su centralisation ? scale of overall economy from which
to draw ?
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: But flying
to intercept means getting close enough for a bored kind at Nellis
to put
the drone into a hard
turn for
the lulz
pete_dushenski: ascii_field but if french bureaucracy is (and has been for decades if not centuries)
the centralised behemoth
that i understand it
to be, why h-bomb and no 'pentium' ?
BingoBoingo lives a county away from Airforce Base, see a lot of cargo haulers and
the decoy air force one fleet often
ascii_field: thing is just a slow flying platform
to drop one or
two rocket bombs from
ascii_field: there are a few hanging in
the national airplane museum
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Well
then can use self as rocket
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: snore. poor
things are defenseless
pete_dushenski: we never had
the nuclear-powered cars expected in
the 1950s (ford nucleon), but computer powered ? entirely, now.
pete_dushenski: that is actually a fascinating
truth. quite revelatory of
the complexity involved.
ascii_field: notice how, e.g., france, made own hydrogen bomb. but it is powerless
to make own 'pentium.'
☟︎ pete_dushenski: ascii_field
this is perhaps a better restatement of what i was getting at with
the uniqueness of computing
BingoBoingo kinda wants
to see ISIL driving some new Ford superduty
trucks now
that FOrd is going all in on Art Deco and chrome.
ascii_field: and perhaps 2x
that many where mobo is made
ascii_field: there are literally one hand's fingers' worth of places on
the planet where workstation cpu is made
ascii_field: the reason why
the decay is at its most cartoon-coloured visible in computing, is
that it is
the most inherently centralized industry in existence
trinque: of course people saw
the end approaching but was it ever stopped?
trinque: riff on
the "no one could have forseen" wry comment
BingoBoingo: *
trinque muses
that
the end of
the world never approaches; it always already came << It came when Andrew Jackson when on his genocide kick in defiance of
the US supreme court. Or when Washington wasn't hung during
the WHiskey rebellion.
trinque muses
that
the end of
the world never approaches; it always already came
pete_dushenski: ascii_field because poison pill computing has seeped in
the cracks.
BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> you can't buy a
truck without plastic in it, and computerized ignition, either. << Sure you can... Just not new
ascii_field: you can't buy a
truck without plastic in it, and computerized ignition, either.
pete_dushenski: ascii_field it seems
that computing is unique in
this regard.
pete_dushenski: well, i won't speak for intel, but
toyota can flatly
tell usg where
to go.
ascii_field: find me a motherfucking laptop with ips display and room for 24G
that doesn't have nvidia piece of shit.
ascii_field: nothing
that looks, smells, walks,
talks, like
the remotest shadow of an alternative.
ascii_field: they survive, and will continue
to survive, because
there is no alternative
pete_dushenski: but hey, no one ever got fired for complying and
taking
the path of least resistance.
pete_dushenski: a role
they play
to
this day, much
to
the detriment of
their own long-term survival.
ascii_field: and usg conscripted
tech suppliers, not only banks,
to serve as de-facto polizei
ascii_field: pete_dushenski:
this kind of
thing began in 1960-70s, where 'why did
this computer end up in su' became a
thing
pete_dushenski: but asking
toyota why
they're providing isis with
trucks is like asking amd why
they're providing
tmsr~ with chips and mobos, or asking boeing why
they gave
the 9/11ers planes.
pete_dushenski: and
toyotas have a hard-earned reputation for lasting longer
than regimes.
pete_dushenski: u.s. wonders aloud : "why aren't
the bad guys driving our shitboxen ?!"