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mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, this is pretty much so. i know of no actual physicists still working.
asciilifeform: as it is i've abused deedbot .
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'ma incorporate the linked items (apparently missed on 1st pass) but will wait for final verdict from diana_coman in next 2d if no one else is in a burning hurry to have recipe.
diana_coman: uhm, then why did I dump changes in log, lolz.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: can you post your amended ver. plox ? i'ma diff, read, sign .
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-13 16:29:21 diana_coman: asciilifeform: at point 3-2 I started the boot partition at 32 (because lilo needs 0-31)
mp_en_viaje: there's no room for "i feel my dick should be able to go where mp's goes on the grounds of... well, it being MY dick"
asciilifeform: i had nfi that hobbes had anyffin useful to say. but apparently did, and was actually right, that pump ended up trigger for 'need mega-funding' failure cascade leading to, arguably, today's 'eotvos' et al.
mp_en_viaje: i expect not/
asciilifeform: 'royal society minutes' sorta web-facing. yet not even this, i suspect, 100% read yet.
mp_en_viaje: i'd be curious to see what mechanical panopticons they built to help with the process, because trying to flatten the web of reference and context is quite the expexplosion.
asciilifeform: hey archaeologists aint even done ~reading~ e.g. k. f. gauss, last i knew
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i tend to spend 20-30m reading old mp_en_viaje pieces when waking up
mp_en_viaje: i suspect trilema is actually my colt, retirement plan.
mp_en_viaje: god i fucking love my blog. i get lost in here, for hours, reading old articles.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: for given recipe, this required at the very least a rebuild world and given the goal of checking if indeed can bring up both servers, preferably sooner rather than later, I did not attempt that.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i can see it.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: entirely correct. for instance, after adding a ban flag, to bring the system into conformance with it takes a 'rebuild world', i.e. 2-3 day process.
diana_coman: otherwise yes, I had banned in on the previous smg test server and simply got on with libressl
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-13 16:54:35 diana_coman: asciilifeform: for eulora I need: app-misc/screen, ftjam, net-misc/curl (that runs into the openssl shit), dev-db/mysql (5.6.39 or earlier) + cs and cal3d but those are frozen versions/not portage anyway
asciilifeform: but to revisit upstack -- i pulled this item off shelf to help diana_coman , who has legacy softs that are known not to work in cuntoo. and for own needs, because my attempts to bake a working cuntoo have failed ( and take ~day or so to even fire off, so difficult so far to debug . )
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-13 16:48:02 diana_coman: aha; I actually had the mysql precise thing in one of the backups but rather deeply burried so at the time of the test I went with this mirror; but as I was saying, by default I rather tend to unplug the network cable when installing systems.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: observe, i cooked this image 2y ago, and all of the mirrors which then were alive, today dead.
mp_en_viaje: im not saying don't do it, i'm... well, im not even fucking sure what i'm saying. the thought occured.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-13 16:46:20 diana_coman: asciilifeform: the mirrors I have in my /etc/portage/make.conf after getting rid of dead ones + adding at least one with required mysql: gentoo.gossamerhost.com gentoo.supp.name mirror.neolabs.kz/gentoo/pub mirrors.xservers.ro/gentoo/ gentoo/bloodhost.ru gentoo.wheel.sk bbgentoo.ilb.ru
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-13 16:45:39 asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'ma also include prebuilt kernel in this one, so that if no adjustment is req'd, the (potentially hours) taken up by build of the kernel, can be avoided in installation
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-13 16:44:55 asciilifeform: diana_coman: in the single-stick item i'm baking atm, there is a dir where all the turnable-knob configs are in , and copied to the new disk as part of install. so user can set'em up beforehand, rather than to work inside the chroot.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-13 16:43:57 asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'd like to put as much as possible correct config in the tarball, rather than have user '1st fix a, then fix b, etc'
diana_coman: well, I'd love to get at some point to static-only, so ...
diana_coman: so I don't see a big problem with including a gnat in the canister
asciilifeform: diana_coman: it is. i have 4 diff gnats on the box where now sitting.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: as far as I recall though, choosing the gnat is just a matter of setting PATH, isn't it?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: possibly i oughta refrain from sealing in a gnat then, it could interfere with your process
diana_coman: asciilifeform: I still use ave1 gnat, just not latest/static-only
diana_coman: possibly I'll have to hammer it into static at some point but not yet there (it's a ball of ifdefism among other things)
asciilifeform: (i snapshotted dulap even before emerged curl!)
diana_coman: asciilifeform: for eulora I need: app-misc/screen, ftjam, net-misc/curl (that runs into the openssl shit), dev-db/mysql (5.6.39 or earlier) + cs and cal3d but those are frozen versions/not portage anyway
asciilifeform: diana_coman: fwiw i used network in testbed solely to get shell on the box, did not 'emerge' etc. anyffin.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-13 16:42:11 asciilifeform: diana_coman: this i fixed in the r2 tarball's /etc/lilo.conf
asciilifeform: diana_coman: lemme know if the r4 recipe is in fact insufficient for the current smg process , i'ma then revise. otherwise i'ma proceed with the streamlined 1stick thing, it will be tested later in the wk , w/ own hands and anyone else who wants this type of sys.
diana_coman: aha; I actually had the mysql precise thing in one of the backups but rather deeply burried so at the time of the test I went with this mirror; but as I was saying, by default I rather tend to unplug the network cable when installing systems.
diana_coman: I think this last russian one had the mysql/I quite distinctly remember adding it
asciilifeform: ty diana_coman , i'ma include these in place of the dead.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: the mirrors I have in my /etc/portage/make.conf after getting rid of dead ones + adding at least one with required mysql: gentoo.gossamerhost.com gentoo.supp.name mirror.neolabs.kz/gentoo/pub mirrors.xservers.ro/gentoo/ gentoo/bloodhost.ru gentoo.wheel.sk bbgentoo.ilb.ru
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'ma also include prebuilt kernel in this one, so that if no adjustment is req'd, the (potentially hours) taken up by build of the kernel, can be avoided in installation
asciilifeform: diana_coman: in the single-stick item i'm baking atm, there is a dir where all the turnable-knob configs are in , and copied to the new disk as part of install. so user can set'em up beforehand, rather than to work inside the chroot.
diana_coman: it might belong there also, sure; still, I'd rather have it in recipe too; for that matter there is still the companion thing, might need to add a note at the very least
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'd like to put as much as possible correct config in the tarball, rather than have user '1st fix a, then fix b, etc'
diana_coman: asciilifeform: I'd still rather put the content than just the link, why make the recipe utterly dependent on the logger being up, anyways? eg at 3-29, put in the reference but also just the required option
asciilifeform: diana_coman: this i fixed in the r2 tarball's /etc/lilo.conf
diana_coman: asciilifeform: between 3-8 and 3-10 I needed the obv mkdir /mnt/usb
diana_coman: asciilifeform: at point 3-2 I started the boot partition at 32 (because lilo needs 0-31)
ossabot: (ossasepia) 2019-10-12 diana_coman: I looked about, changed the one for my usual kbd (the emergency ps kbd is not that comfy on fingers) and otherwise looked around but I didn't see something directly needed/to change
diana_coman: asciilifeform: I've set it up also on another fx (slightly diff number) on a gigabyte board
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i'ma mechanize as much of the process as is practical, but wanted to get the hand-cranked ver. out for review/test asap. hence the 'nao add 3 spoons of sugar' etc. headaches.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: re intel, I have an old intel excavated out and waiting to have this set on it, if I get around to do it.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: yes; I'll check it against my notes too.
asciilifeform: this is good point mp_en_viaje , i'd like to know if something omitted before others (e.g. BingoBoingo) attempt to fire the thing.
diana_coman: indeed; I'll check today after a bit of a needed break.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: I'll have to check, since he deeded now I think "latest version"; previously I used his deeded version + tweak for fuckgoats & my kbd
mp_en_viaje: i'm sorry that emergency continuation required you to leak most of the ip you built for pizarro.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: if you need an intel version, plz lemme know, i in fact excavated a 'xeon' recently on which can be tried.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: I have on my list to attempt recipe on intel too - if I find some time for it; it wasn't burning and it's one of those "only if deemed worth to know"
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: with 5-6 flags in the kern conf, item could stand on even intel boxen. ( asciilifeform simply boycotts intelism ) . the other item to add is that i'm making a single-usbstick installer, also supporting serial console, for to simplify installation on leased machines ( typically telekvm permits use of ~one~ 'virtual' disk. )
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-13 06:42:11 mp_en_viaje: in other lulz, i suspect about half of the ru ip space is "soft" banned in germany, constant "inexplciable" service interruptions etc. can't eg load archive.is most of the time, and so on
bvt: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945073 << the only problem i ever encountered is project gutenberg blocking germany, but no problems with archive.is
bvt: hi. i intend to finish the kernel rng work end of next week - then will do a dissection-writeup on what i did + vpatch. i also have to setup mpwp somewhere - this may take a bit of additional time.
spyked: mp_en_viaje, lobbes: re. digging into mp-wp coad, it happens I have an article in the works on exactly that (emerging from the editor weird). /me will try to get it done tomorrow
mp_en_viaje: in other lulz, i suspect about half of the ru ip space is "soft" banned in germany, constant "inexplciable" service interruptions etc. can't eg load archive.is most of the time, and so on
mp_en_viaje: i think a lot's been gained here.
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, i wouldn't worry THAT much about the materials, even a 5lb hammer and a chunk of rock will be sufficient.
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile i moved the bimbo from fetlife work to instagram work yest, on the groudns that "what the fuck, all these uppity gorgons, go talk to pretty girls at least"
BingoBoingo: hanbot_abroad: In the next 24-36 hours I hope to have access to pass out. Once I wake up I'll run to the market where folks lay out their weird for sale looking for some things to help the coming disk clean up. Then it'll be back to knocking 'anyserver' into an interim place for blogs to see some light again.
asciilifeform: i'ma put in deedbot the final cookbook for this, when i wakeup.
diana_coman: all those installation notes from past times came in extremely handy indeed; a few hurdles existed, quite as expected with respect to finding again various precise versions of stuff so from now on I'll have to backup *that* too.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje production server & db successfully running on my local test-setup so that part at least seems all right; tomorrow I'll look at the dev server too.
BingoBoingo: hanbot_abroad: I'm about to dive into the CentOS anybox again now that I've sourced a bunch of inexpensive diamond grind/cut bits and have them in hand.
diana_coman: hmm, I can see how that can end up the same actually, yes; the absence is the same after all, regardless of path to it and even of surrounding artefacts I suppose.
hanbot_abroad: BingoBoingo did y'all manage some sort of UY1 interim access scheme? can i ssh thar now/sometime soon?
asciilifeform: well mp_en_viaje works on bringin' back kings, i'ma meanwhile this. brb, sawing apart testbed.
mp_en_viaje: for some reason the detergent here smells like bubblegum, i smell like i've spent yesterday evening knee deep in thirteen year old and trying to re-collect all my shit strewn all over the place is like looking for car playing card things
lobbes: likewise, I've got a RedirectMatch set up that is pointing all old blog.lobbesblog links to the new url (assuming I don't change my permalink structure). Everything seems to be functional (server-side select, footnotes) except for the archives dropdown, for whatever reason. Not very pertinent though, so I'll worry about that later.
lobbes: ("blog.lobbesblog" was indeed clunky so I figured I'd take this opportunity to rebrand)
lobbes: in other news, I have resurrected mah blog. Now with new name: http://www.krankendenken.com/ (208.76.255.66)
asciilifeform: if diana_coman et al ask , i'ma make a 1-stick mechanized installer for this . presently is hand-cranked recipe .
BingoBoingo: I've been sent uniformative graphs that list IPs suggesting that whatever happened to the network, it didn't happen to my portion of Latecho's range alone per addresses printed on the graphics they sent. Here in the dark, hypotheses were made, but no useful information was ever delivered.
BingoBoingo: I suspect they do not have a legal department at their present staffing level.
BingoBoingo: At some point earlier I did name drop Doctors Tristan Narvaja and Eduardo Acevedo Maturana as the authors of some good prose. The local civil code is the first guy's work. Local commercial code a collaboration, but mostly the second guy.
BingoBoingo: Maybe I'm projecting too much from having seen his face go pale, but... my Maxi simulator with its admitedly small data set... it reads hedging and fear.
BingoBoingo: By contrast Based on the Monday sit down, if Oscar was empowered to act as a telecom manager in the way his title suggests... Maybe the week could have played out differently. Then again if I had a magic clicker that reset time back five minutes every time I clacked it, I may have never made it past age 5 or 13 much less 30 due to juvenile min-max attempts. But hypotheticals are hypotheticals.
BingoBoingo: I'm going to start shifting gears towards other parts of the cleanup while they sweat.
BingoBoingo: Well, they can sweat this weekend. I would rather not dedicate my life forever to ramming the baton up the assholes, but delivering the breaking of the balls this week... It's been more than cathartic. My parents dun went and raised me wrong.
mp_en_viaje: and, i suppose, file a complaint for theft with your local police station, listing what you recall of what they made off with "and others", and whatever, $10k or w/e the aggregate cost fairly was.
mp_en_viaje: maybe, i guess, something like "I'm happy you understand the significant financial liabilty your misbehaviour over the past week exposes you to. We may consider a significant compensation offer ; but in principle we'd much rather pursue the matter through the legal system, so as to bring you as close to never being able to perpetuate such in the future as at all possible."
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-11 11:57:49 mp_en_viaje: "Inasmuch as my key doesn't work and you seem dedicated to ignoring even the lowest level of service coinceivable, I'm guessing my contract ends through your egregious breach and ends up litigated as fraud ?"
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: I'm still inclined to assemble chapter and verse before firing off anything. Not like another up to 48 hours of their sweat is going to damage anything.
mp_en_viaje: "Inasmuch as my key doesn't work and you seem dedicated to ignoring even the lowest level of service coinceivable, I'm guessing my contract ends through your egregious breach and ends up litigated as fraud ?"
asciilifeform: btw i agree w/ mp_en_viaje's larger pt, if folx dun get up off arse and ~use~ asciilifeform's published instructions to actually replicate his 'magical' irons -- then yes will die of bolix plague !
mp_en_viaje: and i'd like to get the new assumptions -- if not correct ; at least closer to.
mp_en_viaje: now i am forced to rebuild, around new assumptions.