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asciilifeform: you wanne live with that?
mircea_popescu: so you mean my p4 will take 0.03 seconds instead of the 0.00007 ?
mircea_popescu: why the fuck not make the machine ternary.
mircea_popescu: if you are going to do this, you nut
asciilifeform: (working on reducing this)
asciilifeform: the beauty is that with a few hundred bytes of overhead, it can eat standard gpg messages
asciilifeform: prototype is essentially an 'rpn calculator' where you can push bignums on the stack and instruction 0x01 --> 'pop two, multiply, push back' or 0x70 --> modular-exponentiate, etc.
mircea_popescu: perhaps. i dun see it yet, but this is mostly because i am not a coder myself.
asciilifeform: no hardcoded algos, other than arithmetical. period.
assbot: Logged on 14-10-2015 20:12:02; asciilifeform: i suppose i spoiled 'v' a month before publishing, and no one noticed it, so perhaps i ought to 'spoil' this one
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298917 << thread where i sorta spilled the beans on this. ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i solved this.
mircea_popescu: is that if you set it to what ? sha512 ? little alf v2.0 will come in here and fuck your skull in 20 years
mircea_popescu: the huge problem tho, and im sure you have also been thinking on this on the quiet
asciilifeform: it'll be more of a thing once we get the sha1 out of the loop though.
mircea_popescu: and if key X took a fart in gimp-v-0.9 big deal, this won't see it anyway.
mircea_popescu: and it will know what to pull from either chain
mircea_popescu: and i can even use the same trusted set of keys.
mircea_popescu: exactly. more importantly considering what this gives us :
asciilifeform: (considering that there is not a meaningful default for it, even in principle)
mircea_popescu: well that solves it then.
mircea_popescu: you must also be able to describe which "version" you aim.
asciilifeform: the only item that requires manual handling in a correct vtron is keys.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307987 << this is the right thing. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: splendid design like that, what's wrong with it.
mod6: yeah. that patch won't be added into the mirror. now if someone wants to try out his patch locally, they'll have to pull his vpatch, and add his key to the wot manually and then see what happens if they want to press out a branch that includes that vpatch.
mircea_popescu: "you can fuck up at most once per trb release"
asciilifeform: but if funkenstein learns the ropes and remains a contributor, he will need to antipatch himself.
asciilifeform: but my current thought is that antipatches will have to be a thing, yes.
mircea_popescu: so do not do that!
mircea_popescu: why, because things are signed by rabid yaks ?
asciilifeform: point is that a malefactor could probably find something public with which to create headache if the mechanism 'takes anything signed like-so'
mircea_popescu: do not sign in the manner of v stuff you don't intend to be in v
mircea_popescu: so then no, this is policy.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> it's certainly impressive how that part works mod6 << thx!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how would that be in "random signed crud" ?
asciilifeform: plenty of things that don't belong (e.g., nonvdiffs, vdiffs that were not meant for use in anger) have same header.
mod6: i like it a lot. its sort of too bad that the step definitions behind the "gherkin" or cucumber scenarios are written in Perl, python may have been easier for people to digest. But I'm not as up too par on that.
mircea_popescu: i thought we had a header
asciilifeform: mod6: one aspect which i never fully fleshed out imho needs some thought: when the thing is hooked to a live wwwtron, what is to stop idiots from tossing in arbitrary signed crud from #b-a logs into it ?
mircea_popescu: it's certainly impressive how that part works mod6
mircea_popescu: much easier to approach, and still hanging.
mod6: For instance, I assert all of the appropriate antecedents and decendants for each vpatch, etc.
mircea_popescu: how do you know when you've tried it ? what shape was it ? etc.
mircea_popescu: more importantly : have you tried it ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha. new catalyst takes perhaps a day to try.
mod6: asciilifeform: Cucumber tests are automated tests that will run specified scenarios against v.pl and assert various outcomes. [cucumber.io]
mircea_popescu: and they mostly don't have it even here.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, THIS is where good math would show before biotech
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307976 << this looks spiffy but what is a cucumber test ? ☝︎
asciilifeform admits to quietly following this subject
mircea_popescu: as they were ever since 1885 or so
asciilifeform: as they were in 1944.
mircea_popescu: but one thing people DO NOT appreciate is that if i had to find the "lost meta-engineers" alf wants to have been in software\
mircea_popescu: they actually have a liquefaction process (in the civilised world, not in the us) that significantly reduces the intellectual relevancy of this
asciilifeform: this is even (especially?) a problem for coal. if you have noncombustibles in there (and, increasingly, you do) you get ruined furnace, downtime, outages.
mircea_popescu: so there's epicly many layers to it.
mircea_popescu: that's all there is. now you gotta know an infinity about the fluid.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it is on account of refineries being pipes, with turns.
assbot: Logged on 25-10-2015 19:56:22; ben_vulpes: is "oil quality" something other than j/g?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307955 << it isn't a pure matter of joules, on account of envirowhinerism being a thing. also gotta have 'sufficiently low sulfur' etc. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: the only marketable xx item in the us is, "15 yo runaway".
mircea_popescu: and notice that it was interestinfg to them PRECISELY because a) he did what they don't do (go for a woman) and b) it blew up in a way threy like.
asciilifeform: any more than the ants in your cellar are 'fighting to take your house'
mircea_popescu: jurov the only example i can think of is bingoboingo's fake story
asciilifeform: jurov: they are not, strictly speaking
jurov: reddit dudes are fighting to get women? that's new for me
mircea_popescu: but this is what "a woman" means.
asciilifeform: for the bloke with bad-habits, baggage, debt, tv - what other thing is possible ?
mircea_popescu: if homo redditicus would pay as much as five borrowed dollars for "a woman" the us would look like argentina.
mircea_popescu: "woman" as in, overweight, with college debt, with bad habits, with the entire baggage of having watched as much as 5 mionutes of for-women tv is worth less than a pig.
mircea_popescu: and otherwise, people want a teenager.
mircea_popescu: but the woman is an unwelcome addition to the resources.
mircea_popescu: are you kidding ? "chix" in the sense of "out of the street human female" were replaced cca 2005.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307946 << no upheaval because there is not the vaguest inkling of a threat of anything like a robotic replacement for chix ☝︎
asciilifeform: i have opteron boxes from dell. afaik even this is out of print.
ben_vulpes: "w0nder twin powers, activate!"
mircea_popescu: one carly fiorina away from falling in the shitter./
asciilifeform: dell today, gone tomorrow
ben_vulpes: iirc he's targeting something you can buy from dell today.
asciilifeform: this is a result of the tower of babel situation re: pc hardware, rather than anything else.
asciilifeform: but you would actually have to buy the same computer he had
mircea_popescu: they're movable in that they don't exiswt.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes so it's not really half ton unmovable cabinets.
ben_vulpes: nah you'll have to buy the same computer that gabriel_laddel has
asciilifeform: in principle! some schmuck actually ported sbcl to x86 'bare arse'
mircea_popescu: so i could wipe this thinkpad and put lispos on it ?
asciilifeform: mno that was zetalisp.
mircea_popescu: it is written in unmovable half ton steel cabinets, which makes it ok.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: sbcl is an interesting beast. there are really two compilers (and before anyone asks, their semantic idempotence is neither proven nor provable) - a bootstrapper, in c, and a battlefield variant, in itself.
assbot: Logged on 12-10-2015 00:20:41; assbot: Logged on 11-10-2015 23:39:50; mod6: One can do this for sure. The idea was, if the user just has the scrpit, and nothing else, they could sync all the latest wots/seals/vpatches from a mirror.
assbot: Logged on 11-10-2015 23:47:42; mod6: ah. ok. i see. so let the user populate the wots on their own, other stuff, no prob.
assbot: Logged on 20-10-2015 17:04:18; mircea_popescu: well, i got my link about 500x faster than if i searched for it. somehow.
asciilifeform: is it so hard to grasp..?
ben_vulpes: i saw stan barking about autoprocurement of things and must've misremembered
ben_vulpes: mod6: decided to leave auto-seal-retrieval in there?
mircea_popescu: re. When it decides otherwise, look out. The US will go Lehman Brothers faster than you can say Bear Stearns."
mircea_popescu: "There is a terrible, terrible, ugly truth underlying all of this, and that is that taxes don't matter to a government that can print money. The government collected $2.4T and spent $3.6T. They'll take what they get, of course, but if they had collected $2T or $3T you/they would not have noticed. The country isn't a household, it is a bank, and as long as the rest of the world believes "we're good for it," then we a
mod6: Enjoy! Let me know if you have questions or run into any problems. Thanks!
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