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mircea_popescu: your notion
that "oh, what is my participation in B's cool worth" is akin
to
the dumb polack chick in A going "what are my good looks worth, i can't make hollywood rent control"
mircea_popescu: there is
today a group of people
that do so and so with encryption and bitcoins and etc.
their history will be
the controlling factor for an entire generation [of mostly chinese and russian speakers], who'll go about calling
themselves
the MP of cmpany X, because ceo is uncool now.
this is part B of comparison.
mircea_popescu: there was once a group of 20something chicks
that lived in so and so apartments and did so and so deeds and
things.
their history became
the controlling factor for an entire generation of english speakers, who went and got rachedo's and so on and so forth. part A of comparison.
ascii_field reads
the pediwik in search of 'actual
thing'
mircea_popescu: you can't be in
this cast if you can't make rent. and no, wondering "What my youthfull good looks are worth" does not work with
that show
mircea_popescu: you're approximately in
the position of a 20something woman who wants
to be part of
the cast of friends but doesn't have
the rent.
ascii_field: nobody's ever paying for
trb either. not even on lsd.
phf: nobody's going
to pay for v, but i
thought
that v is a dna level building block in a construction process of something
that's beyond "money-cool", or bezzle cool as
that's really what you're
talking about ("rent is due")
mircea_popescu: you can't sell it. if you keep it functioning well and in good shape, you can have an empire on
the basis of it.
ascii_field: money-cool means something
that economically stands on its own
mircea_popescu: ascii_field about
the same
that
the us court system is worth.
phf: i don't know what
that means, money's not cool, it's barelly adequate at purchasing cool (a highly debatable point)
ascii_field: phf: but, as i
think has been well established, not money-cool.
phf: i
think v is pretty cool
trinque: ben_vulpes: at his next cartridge change, slip him one with something
that knocks him out, and make sure
that he wakes up at your hq
ben_vulpes: but
then
the money's not in
the bank anymore!
ben_vulpes: there's an old
thread around
the shop: "ain't nobody motivated by money in
the bank"
ben_vulpes: doesn't necessarily mean it's -ev
to advertise, just
that someone else is deriving value from your media buys as well.
ben_vulpes: so you've captured
the value. bitcoin survives, and you benefit from its survival. so do other people, but when you advertise you also pay for people
to learn about
the solutionspace in general, including your competition.
trinque: whether it exists
theoretically is distinct from whether
this run of
the idea
takes now or after
the next dark age
trinque: not
that
there's immediate pay; it's a long position
ascii_field: and anyway nobody asked me whether it 'ought
to exist'
trinque: this I
think is
the value in doing "world-building" work
ascii_field: because so far what it appears
to mean is 'that's nice, chicken, keep laying eggs, but go and look for food ~somewhere~'
ascii_field: see, it is
this 'noble'
thing
that i don't grasp
ben_vulpes: what is
the value of a put on facebook expiring 5 years from now?
ascii_field: or
the removal of
the 'orphan' blk and
tx dos vectors ? etc
ascii_field: or
the continuity bridge, from old
thread linked earlier ?
ben_vulpes: while noble, i do not see much
turkey-buying value in pogoquest.
ascii_field: this work had nothing
to do with s.nsa product.
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: or
take
the example of my
trb patches.
ascii_field: which
the other implementations are using as a crib sheet
trinque: ascii_field: it's simply
this,
that other
than via magical
thinking and zealotry, your
thing will only happen when it costs less
than someone is willing
to pay
to solve a problem he has
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: but of
the system consisting of
the invention plus
the demonstration of its feasibility.
trinque: sure,
that market distortions happen doesn't mean
they don't happen in a useful direction. it only means
that other
things will suffer greatly,
that
things are imbalanced.
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: what's more valuable: a honed and
tidied 'v' implementation or several different implementations from wotmembers?
ascii_field: where i was
trying
to say more or less
the same
thing each
time.
trinque: there was
the
thread about mathematics in
the USSR which rings a bell here
trinque: rather, before bitcoin
this
theft was possible
ascii_field: at a certain stage of
tech development, widespread scurvy is more or less certain
ascii_field: trinque: even
the hypothetical of 'without
the
theft' is rather like asking for 'without scurvy'
trinque: could very well be
that
the mechanism by which a central govt steals from a large population via fiat monetary systems got us
the CPUs we use
today far earlier
than
they'd have been had without
the
theft
☟︎ ben_vulpes: separate
the doing of it from
the
thinking up of
the it
to do.
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: we are speaking of cases where
there isn't even an 'it' prior.
ben_vulpes: "ah fuckit, get out of my way, i'll do it in a
tenth
the
time and it'll be
twice as good."
ascii_field: also
there is no means of getting more
than 24 hours of it per day.
ben_vulpes: high performance individuals can hobble a
team like
this.
ascii_field: there is not, it
turns out, in many of
these cases, any substitute for it.
trinque: there are plenty more knowledgable on
this
than myself, but
this is why I ask periodically about smaller components of
the
thing, if such a
thing exists at all
trinque: ascii_field: gotta invent
the path which leads
to
the
thing desired, not just
the
thing itself
phf: luckily for you
today only you can get a new and improved PATCH from me
that will at least let you create context, since i only finished it like last night, i don't yet know if it will actually encrypt, but it might
ascii_field distinctly recalls warning people about
this a while back
phf: gpgme bindings are broken, since
they've not been updated since 2008 or so, i'm surprised
they are in
the source
tree at all
ascii_field has a very distinct feeling, prompted by last night's
thread,
that he is failing a kind of economic iq
test
ascii_field not
trying
to
troll people, but wants
to get some sort of big picture view
punkman: ascii_field: summary of what punkman
thought of
the other works ? << not at all
trinque: ascii_field:
this is why I spoke of military hardware; it's only valuable if it's a) used and b)
the user wins something of value
jurov:
http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6907 "if you are any kind of open-source leader or senior figure who is male, do not be alone with any female, ever, at a
technical conference."
ascii_field: summary of what punkman
thought of
the other works ?
ben_vulpes: ascii_field is
the proud owner of some equitytoiletpaper?
ben_vulpes: what
the ever loving fuck is
this mkerrorcodes.awk
ascii_field: in
the sense
that dumb bird lays eggs for free.
assbot: The round stones beneath
the earth... have spoken
through
the fire.
assbot: You know, I've had it up
to here with
this Indian malarkey.
punkman: loper machine needs patrons
too
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: I don't follow. again, as
though I were five?
ascii_field: funkenstein_:
to his patrons, his ability
to produce'em was valuable
ascii_field: so far
the evidence points
to
the negative
ascii_field: ben_vulpes:
the
thing i'm
trying
to figure out is whether i'm smarter
than a chicken.
ben_vulpes: are you
then asking what
the value of 'v' is
to me,
then?
ascii_field: it is very valuable
to, e.g., mircea_popescu