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diana_coman:
I'm still not convinced it has to be; if it gets lower than 1 and client hasn't asked,
I'd just disconnect them and they can get back with a hello that is low priority and they..w.ait
diana_coman: well, it's certainly not the number
I have a problem with anyway
mircea_popescu:
i don't have this modelled well enough to say it with certainty ; but it seems to me 3 is a reasonable choice.
diana_coman: server wants to look after clients so they don't end up without keys; it can, sure; all
I'm saying is that
I don't quite see the reason for this; perhaps other than "clients are idiots, let's at least avoid the case where they end up going hello hello all the time"
diana_coman: so server sets threshold at 3; why can't
I decide
I want that at 2 and you at 5 and so on
diana_coman:
I don't quite follow why is server concerned with client's stock of X keys? client can request new keys, burn them, do whatever it wants as it decides how often it wants new keys
diana_coman:
I don't quite follow why is server concerned with client's stock of R keys? client can request new keys, burn them, do whatever it wants as it decides how often it wants new keys
mircea_popescu: that's what
i mean, this is kinda too fluid and
i suspect it's because somewhere in my head
i conflate two things.
mircea_popescu: now obviously, this approach wouldn't be nearly as useful for dynamically linked clients ; but
i deem the fact that it puts the security incentive on dumping dynamic linking a very good thing.
mircea_popescu: now here's a question on which
i'd very much like to hear a lordship oppinion. so, the model currently contemplated for eulora includes a bit whereby the server has to be told by the client a magic string, and will report this back to the client on demand, "here's what you told me you are". the idea is that the client can then sha his binary, and see if the strings match.
mircea_popescu: if instead we made it rely on R, there'd be great benefits. consider this alternate model : C : R(hi, this is C.R.key) S : R(here's some X keys for me and for you) C:(actually
i'd rather you use these X keys for me).
mircea_popescu: which then runs into the obvious problem that
i had been chasing all this time : client's R key has to come earlier in the flux. how about the rule that all hello items sent to the server are either a) encrypted to a pre-existing X key or else b) contain a R key ? ie, our helo is not correct as specced.
mircea_popescu: actually, let's make this clearer, it's ambiguous as it stands. C : hello ; S : new account, here are some X keys you can use to decrypt and some X keys you're required to use to encrypt ; C : here's my R key [and here are some X keys
i'd prefer to use].
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, this is too fluid to fix in a comment, and
i'd rather have it here than in #eulora. so : let's call eucrypt.serpent X and eucrypt.RSA-OAEP R. now, 1. client wants to log in, R(hello) -> S[erver].
spyked: well,
I didn't say it *doesn't* have an OS. just trying to figure out what that is :D
spyked: aha, found nothing on hardware and software specs. mircea_popescu, if it's any similar to the calculators
I had as a kid, it might not even have any software (all calculator logic implemented using gates)
mircea_popescu: ye olde sld-7001 (check me out, meanwhile
i found it!)'s os is GP, notwithstanding it won't run your "intelligent" lawnmower.
spyked: mircea_popescu,
I don't see a fundamental problem with special-purpose os (which is why
I mentioned "bitcoin node os" as one, though it *could* in principle be implemented as a particular instance of a general-purpose os). embedded hardware (e.g. requiring timing constriants) is full of them.
spyked: anyway, this thread put together should make for a decent follow-up piece,
i'ma get to it tomorrow.
trinque: ckang: no,
I'll have the deedbot keys pulled down in an hour; they'll then be able to withdraw, whoever can't
ascii_lander: but this is at the cost of 'hey
i'ma eat a video card'
BingoBoingo:
I just kinda forgot petrocheese was a thing with the real stuff here
BingoBoingo: Until alf arrived
I had been taking the cheese versus petrocheese gulf for granted
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> aite. <<
I have been walking alf quite a bit here
ascii_lander: mircea_popescu:
i'ma actually headed to the smg box shortly
mircea_popescu: the jury is still out, as far as
i'm concerned, on whether the os that loses control of a machine is still an os, meaning it's not altogether clear to me the basic-whatever combo they had at the time actually constitutes an os. but the problem FUCKING ISNT the naive perception at the time, "oh, it didn't hjave icons to click like windows 3.1". windows 3.1 was not an os ; nor was any other windows product an os. microsoft ship
mircea_popescu: god knows
i have enough trouble as it is remembering what
i ate yesterday, if
i also had to remember what
i was wearing while doing it we could just call it quits.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-17 09:05 spyked:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-16#1799861 <--
I dun fully grasp this, so bear with me for a moment. suppose the following (imho no-nonsense) thought experiment: say we have an os, NOP-OS, that works as follows: after initialization, the os loads a (user-provided) program P; the NOP-OS interface exposes to P exactly one system call, "no-op", which does nothing and returns. is then NOP-OS a general-purpose OS? say we add another system
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-17#1800909 << wasn't, no. and yes, the ti-89, sure. or my ancient citizen solar powered item which
i haven't seen for 15 years at the least but which was revolutionary for its time and literally worked by degrees -- if you obstructed two of its cell it could still slightly power the screen so it did.
☝︎ spyked:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-16#1799861 <--
I dun fully grasp this, so bear with me for a moment. suppose the following (imho no-nonsense) thought experiment: say we have an os, NOP-OS, that works as follows: after initialization, the os loads a (user-provided) program P; the NOP-OS interface exposes to P exactly one system call, "no-op", which does nothing and returns. is then NOP-OS a general-purpose OS? say we add another system
☝︎☟︎ mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-04-16 15:12 mircea_popescu:
i suppose at work might be a confusion between what-some-idiots-might-be-thinking-retroconstructed-on-the-flimsy-basis-of-how-they-behave, where "general purpose os" means "the sprinkle of magic turning the computer from a computer to anything
i want it to be, which is to say a tool that magicvally works for any purpose
i might come up with, especially the nonsensical and self-contradic
a111: Logged on 2018-04-16 15:20 mircea_popescu: the best example
i can think of is the code on the old handheld calculators. THAT is a general purpose os : it makes no assumption about the downstream, merely fully, cleanly and directly exposes the hardware.
ckang:
i imagine thats so "bobby" can read it
mircea_popescu: not what
i mean. here it is : if you have n nodes in ip a.b.c.*, each node from outside will pick ONE a.b.c.* node to talk to.
trinque:
I just mean for initial stand-up of somebody's node
lobbes:
i.e. lettering mirrored on one but not the other
trinque: kendraB:
I mean your tattoo's lettering goes one way, and your writing the other way.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-17 01:12 lobbes:
I'm probably too poor, but if it is in my range
I'll most likely try and grab one for trb-ing
a111: Logged on 2018-04-16 20:24 danielpbarron: right now
i'm trying to figure out why the pretty urls thing broke my edit-post thing to where the handy "insert link/blockquote" buttons disappeared
esthlos:
I should add: there's no toolbar to edit text, and nothing is being written to the log
ckang:
i told her to get a black marker and face but she had to run off
jaxxie:
I can't find a black one
lobbes: my current trb box
I'm planning to run at home is a mystery box someone gave me; troubleshooting all the hardware issues
I keep uncovering are delaying things. Would be nice to have two eventually anyhow
lobbes:
I'm probably too poor, but if it is in my range
I'll most likely try and grab one for trb-ing
☟︎ ascii_lander: once
i can get hold of a bootable-sumthing that knows about the raid.
ascii_lander: smg box
i expect is to be brought into service early tomorrow.
ascii_lander: diana_coman, mircea_popescu :
i'ma bring up yer box nao
trinque:
I can indeed ping 250 from 251, inside that net
trinque: yeah
I speculated that in #pizarro
ascii_lander: any other ports open on these that
i can try ?
mircea_popescu: incidentally, if any lord wants to sample lola's wares,
i'll pay for your chicago hooker.
douchebag: mircea_popescu:
I think it's worth mentioning that both Melissalmao and Brittt are recieving the same issue with deedbot as earlier
Melissalmao: no not really
i have before but
i wouldnt call myself a raver
douchebag: Well it's not blurry and
I can see her face
diana_coman: ok; if there's anything else -
I'll be around for about half hour more now and then tomorrow (in ~9 hours from now)
ascii_lander:
i have no objection to doing it; but
i also have no objection if somebody else wants to.
ascii_lander: ( incidentally lemme know how you want the disks arrayed; if this were mine,
i'd put them in raid5 , using 4tb to yield 3tb of storage, plus using 5th 1tb as hotspare. )
ascii_lander: diana_coman: you an'
i have exactly same box, with the exception where you have 2 ps, and moar disk
diana_coman: ascii_lander, ah,
I see;
I was puzzling re box type, searching for dulap's description to compare
ascii_lander: diana_coman: hence why
i suggest to have what
i'm eating.
diana_coman: to recap:
I have ascii_lander's cribsheet; danielpbarron's old recipe; trinque's script
trinque: ascii_lander: can
I direct your attention to #pizarro, or BingoBoingo's?
ascii_lander: diana_coman: if you like
i can even produce a straight copy of dulap's gentoo, which you can later customize.
diana_coman:
I have ascii_lander's cribsheet at least but after the previous experience with trinque's stuff
I'm almost sure there'll be some fresh trouble
ascii_lander: diana_coman:
i published the 'seekrit ingredient' (the use flags for banning crapola) and then danielpbarron turned it into a proper recipe
ascii_lander: inside dc proper,
i fear nuffin,
i spent moar time than
i care to admit, in'em
ascii_lander: mircea_popescu:
i played 100% of my cards correctly, thus far, prolly will have 2 ~empty days even
ascii_lander: after (3) engentooation can be carried out from a place where
i dun have to sit on the floor and have back of shirt menacingly sucked into the exhaust manifold
ascii_lander:
i had a musltronic selfmade buildrootlinuxoid on pogo, it had this attribute (unsurprisingly)
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, ascii_lander anyway,
i expect you'll keep each other entertained for a spell with mg server, so.
ascii_lander: mircea_popescu:
i am to understand that he has a 100% working musltron
mircea_popescu: but he got fucking deluge and other arbitrary "here's some web-picked shit" going on his, so
i am currently very highly regarding it.
ascii_lander: but if trinque wants to do his,
i can put him on kvm
ascii_lander: ( 100% of cargo racked btw. tho some of the rails had to be bent,
i bent'em back by hand lol )