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asciilifeform: 'esp32' !!111!111 now with all the bullshit you enjoyed not having in the original!
mircea_popescu: "usg in the general sense"
asciilifeform: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTCgl3WUAAAXKjv.jpg:large (via vexual.) seems like they finally killed esp8266.
mircea_popescu: the idea that the torah is a book is a peculiar one.
assbot: In general evreii trec drept oameni destepti, on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1O2tSEc )
asciilifeform: i don't see this argument going anywhere.
asciilifeform: anyway, i need not-having-knuth (or table of motherfucking permeattivity constants, or landau, or,or,or,x10,000) like i need to have my arms and legs and cock chopped.
mircea_popescu: and yes, stupidity is a technology like any other.
mircea_popescu: and NO, idiots are not able to propagate anything without the printing press. which is why prior to it there were 5000 different idiocies summing to 0 and ever since tyhen we've been deluged in organised imbecillity.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but this is the problem of the bloody book. in "removing the requirement for a wot" it creates more problems than it resolves
BingoBoingo: There's more of that idiot's production
assbot: Pillow Talk connects distant lovers as they drift to sleep ... ( http://bit.ly/1O2tB4k )
shinohai: http://thenextweb.com/gadgets/2015/11/10/pillow-talk-connects-distant-lovers-as-they-drift-to-sleep/ <<< sadly, people will pay to fund shit like this
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: iirc the moron sold it all
BingoBoingo: Carl Mark Force Model IV has the keys
punkman: somebody has, and they will spend it on eth "development", "conferences", etc
asciilifeform: what now, all of these 'somebodies' are gurus worthy of submission and imitation ?
asciilifeform: and SOMEBODY has the keys.
asciilifeform: why the everliving fuck not.
asciilifeform: when an idiot has xxxxx btc, 'oh but he couldn't possibly have the keyz'
punkman: or maybe never had the keys
punkman: he already had a chance to do that
asciilifeform: like the others.
asciilifeform: could move it to a fresh addr and vanish tomorrow.
punkman: Buterin doesn't get to keep 44k btc
assbot: The danger of unchecked assumptions, or the surprising depths of inequality. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hw9JXz )
asciilifeform: ;;later tell pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2015/11/10/the-danger-of-unchecked-assumptions-or-the-surprising-depths-of-inequality/#comment-34704
assbot: The danger of unchecked assumptions, or the surprising depths of inequality. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hw8WpF )
asciilifeform: ;;later tell pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2015/11/10/the-danger-of-unchecked-assumptions-or-the-surprising-depths-of-inequality/#comment-34703
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski Tag Heuer is more $1500 than 10 k price range
asciilifeform: unless i catastrophically misread this thread, it is almost as if mircea_popescu thought that stupidity were a ~technology~ that we'd be happily without if only some malefactor had not carefully developed it, and dropped on us, like a nuke
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu mazdak, quite possibly, was 'rousseau' long before rousseau. what bookz do we blame him on ?
deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The danger of unchecked assumptions, or the surprising depths of inequality. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/11/10/the-danger-of-unchecked-assumptions-or-the-surprising-depths-of-inequality/
punkman: asciilifeform: that'd be the braindamaged pack rat approach, and yes, it has adherents << dunno, I like archive.org
asciilifeform: idiots are perfectly able to propagate their cults without the verbatim text
asciilifeform: the other thing is that, at least from my perch, nowhere are there symptoms that the folks pushing rousseauism actually read the bloody book
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 3 y.o. finds an uzi, sprays. not the machine's fault
mircea_popescu: it is UPON THE BOOKS. they, chiefly, mostly, did this.
mircea_popescu: i just don't want the easy mistake be made where the stupidity of the children of books today is ascribed to non-bookdom.
phf: library, therefore"
phf: asciilifeform: right, i'm not arguing your original statement, just trying to understand this part of thread. if i wanted to grok electrodynamics, can get scan, or easier to just walk to friend and get landau of the shelf. doesn't matter that he has millions of other books, or that there's an archive of book scans somewhere. mp's point seems to be that the activity should be treated as tomb raiding either way, rather then "i have a
asciilifeform: this also is sorta what the books are for.
asciilifeform: does mircea_popescu have anti-rousseau spray to apply to prevent relapse ?
mircea_popescu: or in other words, books, much like plutonium, are liable to make your stupid and your offspring monstruous. handle with care.
mircea_popescu , perfectly willing to wipe books altogether to get rid of rousseau & friendz.
mircea_popescu: damn the dumbass "humanity" all to hell.
mircea_popescu: o know the way. We came at last to a great hall... It was then I realized my companion hadn't been gaining strength. He had been losing what was left of his humanity."
mircea_popescu: "My companion drew in the dank, cold air of the Tomb. It seemed to... strengthen him. I stood in the doorway between Light and Dark. What was left of my sanity implored me not to enter. But that voice... was just a whisper now. As we worked our way down, deeper and deeper into the Crypt, I began to see a change in my companion. He seemed to be gaining strength. I could hardly see in the gloom, but my companion seemed t
asciilifeform: somewhere, in the logz
asciilifeform: (as a demonstrable moving part of the edifice)
asciilifeform: and i think i might have once described how maths is to work should a sane computer ever be constructed
mircea_popescu: what's that great quote... ☟︎
asciilifeform: exactly what i was suggesting re: the scanz.
mircea_popescu: just for as long as you understand they're tombs. you don't belong there.
mircea_popescu: loot the tombs at your leisure.
asciilifeform: that'd be the braindamaged pack rat approach, and yes, it has adherents
funkenstein_ once had pictures of dog eating beets. Sadly they were never put on paper so lost after a decade or so.
mircea_popescu: relax, alfie. you got plenty of time.
asciilifeform: but mircea_popescu for some reason is not moving to afghan, has not sold his computer, bought moar horse ?
mircea_popescu: do you need all the ars longa you don't currently have ?
asciilifeform: i mean, this ~is~ a self-consistent thing. pashtun needs galois like a dog needs beets.
mircea_popescu: what more could there be ?
asciilifeform: no but only because 'i'm ok to ride a horse'
mircea_popescu: do i look like i'm falling to you ?
phf: well, it's very medieval idea (without the negative connotation) or reminiscent of samizdat culture. scans only come when someone asks for a scan, rather then the other way around, i.e. "archiving initiatives"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: talisman of the parachute. it's old, rat-eaten, and has ДОСААФ 1966 printed on it, but ~it's the one you're wearing~ while falling. and you can try to make a new one out of your underwear before you splat, or use that one.
mircea_popescu: and also they were not very good.
jurov: and burning the books helps how?
mircea_popescu: what barbarian apostasy is this, the talisman of book ?
mircea_popescu: not like anyone invented a substitute for actually re-derivign the whole group theory IN YOUR HEAD as part of "grokking" it.
mircea_popescu: not a matter of should. that's reallty all you got.
asciilifeform: not having to rederive, e.g., motherfucking group theory, is ~how we actually advance~. not because better classes of human were dropped down from the sky each generation, no. (quite opposite, afaik)
mircea_popescu: because... srsly, think about it.
mircea_popescu: i expect you to be happy that your life ends before it.
asciilifeform: but none of it can happen without the scanz!
asciilifeform: the translation, reading, GROKKING, etc. are very time consuming. i expect to spend most of my life on it.
mircea_popescu: to put it another way, if you think the SCANNING is time consuming you have nfi.
phf: is the idea that ascii can read book, or whatever, can even give me copy to read, or whatever, but ultimately there's not going to be library of b-a, because only relevant knowledge is whatever ascii or i (in this example) say in the logs, how we got there is our own business?
mircea_popescu: (i lie, i never read the actual book, it was online or it wouldn't have existed.)
mircea_popescu: and im not linking to the book. because, elementary, can't. because IT is fucking islam.
mircea_popescu: i dug whatever, the giving tree out of a book too.
asciilifeform: so this is all batshit. if i need islam i know where to find it
asciilifeform: i dug balanced ternary system out of FUCKING BOOKZ
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ they ARE lost.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ill be sure to recall this if we dispute computers in the future :)
asciilifeform: i personally picked up too many of these to list. and they will live for at least as long as i do.
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> it can't survive this. << this is demonstrably false.
mircea_popescu: if there aren't, books aren't gonna MAKE THEM
mircea_popescu: as it's the precondition to culture in general.
funkenstein_: as long as there are people of means archiving the log, i agree
mircea_popescu: there's no way for books to compete with the log.
mircea_popescu: it is culturally irrelevant now, because i expect my text searchable and my lines logged and indexed and so forth.
mircea_popescu: it can't survive this.
mircea_popescu: kinda why/how that "ustards keep rebranding things" article came about. the comment in the house of mp was "check these idiots out, like the second coming of some castrated soviets"
asciilifeform: then only because of this.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, it was gauss'. the romanians sat omn the sidelines poking fun at the russians.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, i betcha you learned 'ostrogradsky's' and not 'gauss's' theorem.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, "america" (the ideal construct, that never really existed) SCANNED the fucking europe books.
asciilifeform: btw ru did this when it swallowed europe's maths & eng.
mircea_popescu: like women marry. no rights for the people of books.