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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not repeats. but mods-inside-mods
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i am slowly working my way through wtf happened there.
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel_p: seriously the cryptic theatrics grate
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel_p: fwiw i watched it before pinging you, nevertheless
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel_p: i saw a few names and project details, figured they were placeholder content
gabriel_laddel_p: ben_vulpes: it is 14 min long, go, watch the whole thing, think about it for a bit and get back to me.
gabriel_laddel_p: ben_vulpes: if so, whatever, I'll have plenty of money soon enough, for now: will do what must be done.
gabriel_laddel_p: ben_vulpes: is this about hosting on google?
trinque: ahaha the timing of that ben_vulpes
gabriel_laddel_p: ben_vulpes: also, please don't host that anywhere
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel_p: and what, idiots send you dead weasels instead of money ?
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel_p: ack
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel_p why is your ad crypted
a111: Logged on 2016-12-29 04:08 gabriel_laddel_p: ben_vulpes: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bznn0f9Mk3KASFhrSDRkU1NuNHc
gabriel_laddel_p: ben_vulpes: it is already hosted
trinque: evening gabriel_laddel_p
a111: Logged on 2016-12-31 02:23 mircea_popescu: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1E261FCF04CFC3435CE00E1F39D1C2F153716DAFEB15474D4A7FB378624BA8CF << lolk wait, the entire modulus being a factor in others doesn't make this phuctiored does it ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: because i wrote it as one
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes ^
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: gpg does.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it doesn't!
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel_p: imma host this thing for you, k?
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5C0133D00F4010B34DC83543007A2856300E7CDE1BFF5BCE4869E77EEF76FDA8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9799...1301 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Alexander Rudolf <A_R...om>; Alexander Rudolf <ale...de>; ' (broadband-109-173-21-64.nationalcablenetworks.ru. Unknown)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes! 1s
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: often i wonder what the remoras are even doing in #t. why can't they read l0gz like normal peoples.
mats: ben_vulpes: i expect iron dome actually only works effectively against mortar rounds
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes "many small boats" is shit for unrelated reasons.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the actual defense is 'kill'em all'
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: nah
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: thing used small rockets, neh ?
asciilifeform: or the jew from mircea_popescu's old tale, who dropped a cheque into a grave
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: buying drinks is one thing, girl soaking everything in sight less common
asciilifeform: as mircea_popescu correctly said -- snoar
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: these 'motherland cried TO US, HER SAVIOURS!' clips are a dime a dozen.
asciilifeform: anyway, mentioned strictly because ben_vulpes unearthed .
asciilifeform: http://amdm.ru/akkordi/kontrrevolyciya/137409/eto_znachit_chto_skoro_voyna/ << lyrics.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not overtly.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: there is context, 'kindling' is the catchword in ru penal code for 'hatespeech' ('kindling discord between nations')
asciilifeform: ( 'supernumerary children' (tm) (r) ( mircea_popescu's articles ) )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i thought that normally they fucked little chillenz or similar
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i bet herr dokror w fucks baby pandas , and gets away with it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: would that be in actual btc-that-usg-somehow-had ? or in 'could-have-hads' (riaa-style accounting..?)
asciilifeform: drain the battery, if you will, that mircea_popescu et al charged.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hitler dun wanna settle for 'burn own citizenry', that's trivial already. he wants to dekulakize mircea_popescu et al.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-30 20:45 mircea_popescu: none of this stuff CAN be fixed.
asciilifeform: arbitrarily, the comparison is only even performed if the magic is below LOCKTIME_THRESHOLD ( http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.h#0042 )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is called, in this case, 'underhanded c'
davout: and this one here: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option#1268
asciilifeform: observe also, http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/ident?v=asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option&_i=IsFinal
asciilifeform: the ONLY branches on it, are here: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.h?v=asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option#0435
asciilifeform: davout: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/ident?v=asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option&_i=nLockTime
davout: mircea_popescu: iirc there was one locktime thing that was there from day 1
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu has it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: of course not. it gets disgorged.
mats: mircea_popescu: no, i wish
davout: no more "oh, but the transaction you're attempting doesn't match min fee $magic_number"
davout: mircea_popescu: yeah, i meant it as a separate, user-initiated step
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: we're cramming a year+ of wallet into davout's head now that he's paying attention again
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i understand, thread was originally about 'sane wallet mechanism'
davout: asciilifeform: ben_vulpes has it
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-30#1593954 << ben_vulpes is going that way from my understanding. ☝︎
davout: mircea_popescu: ok, "forbid-insane-fee" then
mod6: <+jurov> http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src?v=makefiles << mod6 asciilifeform ben_vulpes << cool! thanks
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: as i understand, davout was asking for sane-wallet, rather than merely raw-tx-hopper
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: this won't , as i understand, help him, he wants to ~craft~ tx, not merely broadcast-raw
ben_vulpes: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/test/transaction_tests.cpp?v=makefiles#0004
a111: Logged on 2016-12-30 19:25 jurov: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src?v=makefiles << mod6 asciilifeform ben_vulpes
jurov: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src?v=makefiles << mod6 asciilifeform ben_vulpes ☟︎
davout: yeah, ben_vulpes told me in your very chan, if i can help it i'd be happy to, it does sound like a pretty good starting point for me to hack on trb
davout: ok, ~/blox/ass_to_mouth.rb is working, we'll see how that goes
jurov: ben_vulpes et al.: how you want to present this in lxr? or are there more steps?
a111: Logged on 2016-12-29 22:54 ben_vulpes: jurov: would you be so kind as to update the lxr with makefiles.vpatch ?
phf: mircea_popescu: rds is amazon's hosted relational database solution(tm) which is a postgresql on a unixbox
jurov: mircea_popescu: yes, but most of www can live with crashing database (even innocent reading can cause sigsegv, sadly)
a111: Logged on 2016-12-30 17:56 mircea_popescu: jurov no ; but i am fine with wwwtron ocasionally reading a field that has meanwhile been updated, and giving old, of an unspecified age but less than x time.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-30 17:49 jurov: mircea_popescu: you would trade speed for occassionally getting garbage when you call read()?
a111: Logged on 2016-12-30 17:29 mircea_popescu: exactly how the statements {"do not allow anyone else to write here until i say" ; "let anyone read anything at any time"} amount to an "unsolved problem in cs" ? and wtf cs is this we speak of, sounds more like chewinggum-science.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-30#1593675 << mircea_popescu nails it: postgres is crippled 'for yer own good' ☝︎
asciilifeform: which, in turn, ate mircea_popescu 's vintage block set
jurov: mircea_popescu: this is the problem with c machine, that everythign is pointer, and without preemptive locking, you can't distinguish your pointer points to merely stale data vs. garbage
jurov: mircea_popescu: in this case asciilifeform categorically claimed he decided to have consistency, or are you deciding otherwise?
mircea_popescu: phf here's the problem : moder(field) consists of take field, redefine it in a practically useless but superficially persuasive way, then bad_words() to whoever dares ask if your "field" solves any important questions in the field. because of course it doesn't, MIT is the premier institution in science(*) and technology(*) in the werld. ☟︎
jurov: mircea_popescu: you would trade speed for occassionally getting garbage when you call read()? ☟︎
phf: mircea_popescu: that's not quite what i'm saying.
davout: mircea_popescu: seems to me like it would reduce to 'moving the problem'
phf: mircea_popescu: i'm not quite groking what the bad write is. are you saying that instead of intermingling writes and reads, you should batch them, and not write while you're reading?
davout: ah yeah, i'm currently syncing off ben_vulpes, i was wondering if dumping blocks from prb and then eating them with trb would work
phf: mircea_popescu: yes, ~having to deal with locks~ happens past the limit of db designer's competence
a111: Logged on 2016-12-30 16:07 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-30#1593228 << yes, periodically since 2014.
phf: mircea_popescu: sop outside of mysql world. dirty read is considered a liability, so whole point of db systems design is to ensure that you don't hit locks when you shouldn't.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is currently a cached image, i implemented it. the cached snapshots however last for a limited time (iirc i have it set to half hr per url)
asciilifeform: phf, mircea_popescu , et al : one thing that would immediately make a very palpable difference in speed is if there were a permanent way to order postgres to perform all reads immediately, disregarding all locks.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: point of 'nursery' was to do the 'do we have this fp? how about this? ...' a few thou. at a time, is all.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu might be social-integrated-genius but often recommends algo that adds up to escherian skyscraper. and so results in headache thread.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: suggest algo, i'm all ears.
phf: asciilifeform: no, it's a command that you run, like REINDEX index_of_things; it simply queries what's already in DB and warms up the cash
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the other obvious thing would be to dispense with 'real time submission' entirely, and when someone dumps in a key, it goes into next batch. but we discussed this earlier in this thread, it would mean that the thing cannot be used as sks-like tool.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but yes, for next version (presently only exists in my notebook) there is a nursery and it gets merged into main table at night. but this makes for considerably more complex system, where there are two very distinct types of submission, 'realtime' and 'scripted' , and they get treated quite differently.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually i do not. because it will require 100x more complex mechanism.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-30 16:11 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-30#1593286 << actually workmem should be 256mb especially as you can afford it so totally, go for it.