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asciilifeform: and the prisoners.
asciilifeform: the one with 'height of the tallest building'
assbot: Un prophète on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1kVpnSF )
assbot: Logged on 26-11-2015 16:31:44; asciilifeform: (fwiw the subject has no emotional button push for me, because i don't expect to last for as long as five seconds under feudalism)
asciilifeform: and also that we have just such a party scheduled for the near future
asciilifeform: btw i can't possibly dispute that anti-intellectual brutes eventually eat up the cultured folk. this is one of the most recurrent patterns in recorded history (greece swallowed by rome, chinese conquered by their sequence of barbarian waves, etc.)
asciilifeform: how's that
mircea_popescu: the mandatory googles that drm the environment "to protect the user" are exactly the same notion, coming from the same place, going to the same place.
mircea_popescu: the most obvious problem with it from your planet should be that it is cosubtantial with IP.
mircea_popescu: "entirely without" is a meaningless conceit of no value of import, which you nevertheless desperately wish to have because it's a requisite pillar for the temple of nonsense you build and apparently invested yourself in.
asciilifeform: trinque: mongols, interestingly, ate up the culture of the folks they conquered
trinque: where were their equations?
asciilifeform: entirely without - would mean continuing in the 1600s jp state of the art, using only what was produced by noble self-sustaining (on the backs of the peasantry) samurai thinkers.
trinque wonders if asciilifeform thinks the Kievan Rus were better off without coming under Mongol administration, because of course the Mongols were savages.
assbot: Rengaku - Wikipeetia, the misspelled encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1kVoV6X )
mircea_popescu: http://www.wikipeetia.org/Rengaku << for the lulz.
asciilifeform: but this is not what 'doing better without boole' means.
mircea_popescu: everyone cribbed on the exam.
asciilifeform: jp cribbed on the exam.
mircea_popescu: japan did better without boole than england did with.
mircea_popescu: how quickly we forget that china is to japan what the ipad is to the blackberry.
mircea_popescu: how quickly we forget that it was actually japan that drove the harpoon into the great "western" whale.
mircea_popescu: boole has zero to do with it.
asciilifeform: this blade has two edges.
asciilifeform: the samurai failed to produce, e.g., a george boole.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck do you think it's the samurai rather than the peasant doing poetry ?
asciilifeform: (why write down how you clobbered the $derptribe? smearing ink on paper is -ev!)
asciilifeform: and this would include all of what pretty much anybody thinks of as 'culture'
mircea_popescu: myeah. this is a dangerous place to live in.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pretty much everything i give half a fuck about, in that case, is a direct product of 'insanity'
mircea_popescu: anyone can be boole in this sense, just close your eyes.
mircea_popescu: that it sometimes works is a case-by-case type of argument, useless when one tries to argue class.
mircea_popescu: "something other than immediately +ev practicalities" is the definition of insanity.
asciilifeform: trinque: somehow the point of the george boole example escaped you. the idea was that he had the freedom to do something other than immediately +ev practicalities.
mircea_popescu: kinda what the romans had, as it happens.
mircea_popescu: (in which case - the harem is really the perfect solution. mother-aged children are pretty uch the only human beings i ever knew to benefit from socialism. so make the harem, let the women be sisters, let society function.)
mircea_popescu: funny how this works, makes me thing socialism is a constant, like the water table.
asciilifeform: aha they had almost textbook holhoz !
mircea_popescu: incidentally : incas were prolly the most socialist tards alive, because they managed to split up, the inca owned everything.
asciilifeform: which is to say, eaten up by folks ~with~.
asciilifeform: trinque: i happen to think that 'without', ru would live in the same place as the incas
trinque: you say "something should've been done!" in response to boolean algebra sitting there
assbot: Logged on 05-11-2015 23:41:44; mircea_popescu: the russians got steel plants faster with stalin then they'd have without.
mircea_popescu: their fucking library! they made it, they burned it! what's it to you ?
asciilifeform: possibly 'cultured' is best illustrated with positive example - like that ss colonel who happily presided over firing squads but would not permit rare plant collection in captured ru institute to be burned
mircea_popescu: so then what calamity ? "historical calamity" or "they got what they had coming", exactly the same thing.
mircea_popescu: i dunno what cultured means to you, but there's something definitely wrong with the archeologist who goes to the local court to file a restraining order against this one long extinct tribe for having broken all the pots of this other one.
trinque: exactly that.
trinque: the problem of having leaders with nothing exciting enough to do that it requires new science is a primary problem from which other terrible problems flow
asciilifeform: was able to exist.
asciilifeform: trinque: the idea is that it existed as a -ev flourish on culture, like poetry.
trinque: so what, we needed a boolean algebra stalin to speed that up at the expense of someting else?
asciilifeform: but do you see the idea here ?
trinque: when a man has a problem requiring it, it will have a price in that world
asciilifeform: and how much room in the general sense for something like noncommutative algebra, in 'dope world.'
trinque: lol, management of a large business is no sort of "one thing"
trinque: the proof is in the dope pudding.
asciilifeform: and how many scum who are good at precisely one thing.
asciilifeform: trinque: now your diode is in the wrong way
trinque: I think you overlook the question of what kind of a mind is required to manage these vast enterprises
asciilifeform: take me to their particle accelerator.
trinque: give them time.
asciilifeform: trinque: show me the great theorems of the mexican dope cartels
trinque: "peddling dope" such that one has a surplus from the dope is the exact first step towards having any time to do these higher minded "honorable" tasks or whatever
trinque: are there different classes of acts of futility, some of them being worthwhile?
asciilifeform: but then again mircea_popescu personally burned library of alexandria so go figure.
asciilifeform: and yet i see the loss of the physics/maths/etc. as a historic calamity, and it boggles my mind that any cultured man would disagree
mircea_popescu: the only people who did something of themselves were the ones who didn't.
mircea_popescu: simple heuristic : nobody who paid his taxes for 1989 ever had any money, nor did his children have a chance that was in any way connected to them. black fucking holes of dumb.
mircea_popescu: depends on what "folks like me" means. if it means, folks who stubbornly live in moscow and work for the state, you're right.
asciilifeform: back to my original point, i don't see any reason why folks like me will fare any better under this collapse than they did under sovcollapse
mircea_popescu: how connected. thatssal..
mircea_popescu: and, again, the most important predictor for the effects of digestion was...
asciilifeform: well in that sense, no.
asciilifeform: if not their flesh
asciilifeform: actually it grew straight from the 'cooperativ' thing in '80s
asciilifeform: in that the latter ~did~ do the whole employment thing
asciilifeform: thing is, b-a as we have it today (at least as far as my naked eye can see) is not feudalism and not even ru mob
mircea_popescu: why should i care to ?
asciilifeform: tell this to moiety ?
mircea_popescu: hence, that's what the b-a is for.
mircea_popescu: survival of soviet families depended on HOW connected they were, nothing else.
mircea_popescu: the important point in that comparison is that her transition is NOT going to be managed by her
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu inhabits this peculiar mental universe where everybody (with possible exception of himself) is a malleable chick
asciilifeform: before knowing of the old book
asciilifeform: microscope is actually a terrible hammer. the reason i am so fond of the image is that i actually used it as one as a boy
mircea_popescu: as a macula of their true state : they don't exist.
mircea_popescu: only subjects exhibit this bizarro narrowness
mircea_popescu: you understand ? tools have their mass, which means microscope is perfectly usable hammer.
mircea_popescu: every object has other assets. THIS is what it means to be an object.
mircea_popescu: her : "so how the fuck would i manage my transition!111!"
mircea_popescu: her : "and besides, that webcam site was not even in russian"
mircea_popescu: her : "even if you are right about where this shit's headed, i would not last five seconds"
mircea_popescu: so the year is 1988. the persons are a well connected mobster and a youthful rose. she is in a terminal year at university, studying to be a soviet state company accountant. he just came back from dubai.
mircea_popescu: stop telling yourself that. how would you know.
asciilifeform: considering that the original observation was about my reserved spot in the diesel tank.
mircea_popescu: let's work an example with sluts, easier to take women as objects than yourself as an object.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu does not appear to actually disagree?
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: i did not say 'wot is useless' but that i in particular do not - as demonstrated experimentally not long ago - command particularly much market value there. << the idea is not that you command anything. the conversion from postmodern derp to feudal subject is not done under the control of the derp.
asciilifeform: now let's suppose that mircea_popescu is ultimately right about 'ride horses, throw out computer' and folks like me are not at all needed in the future. but let's try to imagine, e.g., a surgeon, trying to keep himself fed and clothed using b-a wot...