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assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 16:58:29; pete_dushenski: why a quarter-mn
to some 23 yo newfie punk ? BECAUSE
THE JOB SUCKS. and literally no one would do it for less
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: anyways, once
the residual albertabux dry up, newfoundland will go back
to being a 'service economy' or whatever it's been since
the cod packed up and left. your housing prices will return
to
the incredibly affordable 'normal' you were used
to, and all will be well again until
the next
time a canadian province has a resource boom and your industrious young men provide
the necessary cannon fodder.
nubbins`: anyway
this is
turning into generalized griping
pete_dushenski: "There's about €3bn of London Club debt "trading" at 15 cents of par last
time I checked. If you find Argentine bonds just not exotic enough" << everyone's an investor eh. p2p lending is da footoor !
☟︎ nubbins`: it's not like all
the black market soft drug money goes directly
to hell's angels and vietnamese gangs, oh wait
nubbins`: if
the shit was legal, purchasing
that same gram would yield
the gov $4+ in
taxes
nubbins`: seriously,
there was a big bust here recently, i calculated
that
the cops paid something like $4 a gram for
the weed
they seized.
ascii_field: don't worry, weed-legalization will free up
their hands
to bust bitcoin aficionados
nubbins`: essentially purchasing
the drugs with your
tax dollars, and not even using
them afterward
nubbins`: now on
top of
that, you have
the idiot cops running around
nubbins`: i pay about $250/month directly
to criminal gangs
trinque: apply
that
to
the harder stuff; profits subside and
those pushing
the dope go on
to better
things
trinque: weed prices for example in legalized states are falling all
the
time
nubbins`: most govs do one or
the other, or both at once
nubbins`: actually, ignoring drug abuse is pretty fuckin stupid
too
nubbins`: treating drug abuse as crime is maybe
the dumbest
thing i can
think of at
the moment
☟︎ trinque: aside massive govt distortions of
the market, stupid
tends
to die.
nubbins`: trinque if
there were no drug prohibition,
the world would be a better, safer place
☟︎ trinque: prohibition drives
the price
through
the roof, which allows
the whole
thing
to sustain itself.
☟︎ ascii_field: the little
trick is
that when you're
throwing away people, it helps
to make sure
that all or most of
them actually are garbage
☟︎ nubbins`: also, equating "drug addict" with "bum" is an exceptionally rudimentary understanding of
the world
trinque: if
there were no drug prohibition how would
that economic process you described work, exactly?
nubbins`: you do live among
them, ya fuckin dumbass.
trinque: aside living among
them what do I care what
they do
to each other?
nubbins`: so
the "LALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU" approach?
trinque: aside drug prohibition what are
they going
to do
to make enough money
to matter?
trinque: I
took pete_dushenski's "get shot" as "get fucked/who cares"
nubbins`: "but won't kids born
to addict parents be fucked from
the start and stay
that way
their whole lives?" yep
☟︎ trinque: the question of what happens
to
these people only matters under economic and social circumstances which are advantageous
to
them.
nubbins`: "but doesn't
that encourage
the destitute addicts
to start queefing out kids?" yes it does.
nubbins`: also mostly goes
to families vs individuals
nubbins`: trinque public housing has a bigger waitlist
than addictions help.
trinque: as for
the dole,
there's always public housing
too
trinque: nubbins` │
the smarter ones say "i can't get out of
this on my own, i need help" << >> nubbins` │ sure
there is, it's called
therapy
ascii_field: nubbins`: in 'dole countries',
the
thing is barely enough for scum-life. satan help you if you've
tasted human living
nubbins`: but
that was before all
the cash-heavy oil workers came home & drove property values
through
the roof
nubbins`: maybe at one
time you could live off dole
nubbins`: should be just about enough
to cover, oh, nothing at all
trinque: I understand
that
they do here
nubbins`: if you want
the government
to help you, better not hold yr breath
trinque: given
that he lives in one,
this is reasonable
ascii_field: 'civil society' is just what remains after you fill
the gulags
trinque: nubbins` is assuming a big, cozy socialist state
to
take care of
them
nubbins`: there y'go,
that's much less
trite
nubbins`: they just switch
to prescription drugs.
nubbins`: in reality,
the addicts who can't find/afford coke don't just stop using
pete_dushenski: ascii_field: i
think you're right, which really makes you wonder about
the 'addictiveness' of coke
pete_dushenski: i don't shiver and vomit and want
to die from ass-wiping with plants as i would from morphine withdrawal
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: afaik cocaine aficionados don't suffer from withdrawal in
the usual sense
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: for
the purpose of
this
thought, any particular
thing you've grown
to like but suddenly cannot afford, is 'addiction'
ascii_field: though i hear mircea_popescu has a broomstick
therapy
nubbins`: sure
there is, it's called
therapy
ascii_field: and sometimes
they find
that
there is no 'addiction clinic' for breaking addiction
to space, clean air, hygiene, and cheese
nubbins`: at which point
they realize oh,
there's a 6 month waitlist for help
nubbins`: the smarter ones say "i can't get out of
this on my own, i need help"
nubbins`: then
the poorest, most addicted
turn
to
theft, robbery, break-ins, etc
nubbins`: then
the money runs out (this happens not all at once)
nubbins`: come home, still addicted
to coke
nubbins`: plenty of $$, why not
try some coke?
nubbins`: <+pete_dushenski> you shoot
them ? << so
trite
nubbins`: physical labour 18 hours at a
time particularly sucks
nubbins`: some work sucks more
than other work
nubbins`: ascii_field year or
two of
trade school
ascii_field: nubbins`: what's it
take
to land
that work anyway
pete_dushenski: can't stay addicted
to blow 4ever, at least not when broke,
this
too shall pass
nubbins`: one of
those dummies prob will not do a home invasion some day when he's broke, one prob will
nubbins`: i'd sooner interact with a dummy
than with a coke-addicted dummy with $200k of personal debt
nubbins`: people who have
to interact with
them?
nubbins`: unfortunately,
they're fucked here, not in alberta
nubbins`: the stunned ones
took out leases, blew
their money on drugs and gasoline, and are now fucked
nubbins`: pete_dushenski
the smart newfies
took
that money and came home with most of it, bought houses etc outright
ascii_field: nubbins`: we have legends of
this kind of
thing here, with lottery players
pete_dushenski: why a quarter-mn
to some 23 yo newfie punk ? BECAUSE
THE JOB SUCKS. and literally no one would do it for less
☟︎ nubbins`: they go buy big
trucks and big houses on credit
nubbins`: you give
these goofs bags of cash