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mircea_popescu: the board's there to help not to get in the way, as a concept.
mircea_popescu: understand that when you opt ot make "small donations" as a palliative measure to reconcile the goat and the cabbage you're not using the tool. this is orcism, "i don't know how to work vacuum cleanner but did some fingerbanging of the dust ad interim"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, you gotta get better at talking things through ; the "other members" talk has its places but this isn't one.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, take the peruana for a day trip ? i find tits surroundant make airflight bearable.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, rabbit is however extremely lean. but i suppose in a sense.
mircea_popescu: oh right you are, it was a coupla hours ~to colonia~. coupla hundy km to montevideo from there.
mircea_popescu: anytway, chicken dun enter into this, animal's a fucking reptile not a mammal.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, imagine if rabbit was beef ; guinea pig would be... pig.\
mircea_popescu: trinque, honestly i'd much rather just fix the rss than stand up a dedicated bot. way the fuck cheaper and rather more adequate to the actual task at hand.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, that sort of thinking is how we got here in the first place.
mircea_popescu: there's also a chunk doing ip geolocation, trinque published coupla days ago, should go in.
mircea_popescu: lobbes, how about you look at his published db schema, and propose a py script he can run that delivers the desired rss ? this something you can do ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: otherwise you're setting yourself up for failure through 5000 update file requests.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, yes, but in the very constrained environment there proposed they'll have to do a bunch of debugging, hence the "make them a user" notion.
mircea_popescu: but be that as it may : giving someone the capacity to read the db has no bearing on breaking. can reading the db break anything ?
mircea_popescu: i didn't even know this can be done with c and python.
mircea_popescu: weren't you just explaining that there's a python display part and a c work part, and you suck at the python part ?
mircea_popescu: well yes but looky : all projects to be useful must communicate. giving someone else the communication part certainly has some aspects of relinquishing control, but you can't at the same time not know how to communicate and not work with someone who does. it's self-defeating, this strategy.
mircea_popescu: suppose you create a unix user ; give it read-only priviledges on extant tables, and let someone else write a webfacing thing for you ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, what you got running on that machine, lamp ? apache + python bindings ?
mircea_popescu: this will of course bring to the fore the deep reason rss feed was principal avenue into the data, ie that the web view is not really very useful, but anyways.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, in production systems, "machine offline" === "impossible".
mircea_popescu: it seems to me ridiculous to a degree bordering on infantilism that it is "impossible" to get the data out after being so complexly massaged into utility ; but be that as it may, let phuctor run and report on its website, the interested will try and sift through whatever it publishes on their own time.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: well certainly the whole "get expensive phuctor machine" thing wasn't on nsa books so that it works for three days and then waits forever.
mircea_popescu: anyway. so what's the situation here, phuctor currently going through Framedragger 's and jurov 's set preparing ; reporting of results here disrupted until this is sorted out ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, did you just say "anyone who wants to do this must do it in the way it wasn't specified because i'm not making the principal element everything rests on" ?
mircea_popescu: (also, i'll point out, rss is very much not web ; it's basically pipe.)
mircea_popescu: well, you'd be running the rss script yourself. ever ran code you didn't write before ?
mircea_popescu: redundancy makes no difference here. they'll still only be reported once.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, how about this : you edit your current rss script, so that ~instead~ of what it does, it plunks its results down in a new table ; and someone (tm) writes you the py script to read that new table and put out usable rss for deedbot. how about that ?
mircea_popescu: doesn't seem like it'll be very sustainable. vixtim of your own success eh ?
mircea_popescu: you understand the other algo would be about 100x less machine work ?
mircea_popescu: im unsure why phuctor would have to be stalled at all. you mean the reporting here of popped moduli ?
mircea_popescu: and yes, the reason it has separate table is so it doesn't mess up your locks on the main one.
mircea_popescu: 3. this will introduce no further state or anything else in the original process ; it just happily spits its output at whatever rate it wishes.
mircea_popescu: 2. the proposed modification is to create a new table, of columns A B C D timestamp. this is to be indexed on whichever A B C D is the modulus. the proposed use is to have a process sort this table by unique index where timestamp = "" ; report ONE such item, and update ALL the lines with that modulus with current timestamp IF any only IF the highest timestamp found in the table is 900 seconds behind current timestamp.
mircea_popescu: 1. consider a process which produces tabular data, in the shape of lines of A B C D columns.
mircea_popescu: actually, maybe this'll help, let me formalize this for you :
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, it generates its tick, that's what the whole "ave it add the timestamp whenever it reads ; push out one once the timestamp is old enough, and write the new timestamp next to it." is all about.
mircea_popescu: however, he'd have to run a script he doesn't actually understand.
mircea_popescu: mod6, what i was going to propose is for someone to write his rss python script and needed queries.
mircea_popescu: much in the vein proper smoked rib bean stu requires allspice.
mircea_popescu: well, the proper statement here isn't that "fixing db will be to my grief" ; the proper statement is that "fixing db, while a massive improvement to the $item, has the unfortunate drawback of requiring some trims i'm ill equipped to handle / have to send for across town"
mircea_popescu: but, i confess i absolutely do not follow the logic here. so, making a new table, and a py script to update it and print it as described above, unbounded ammount of sweat, months of work ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, once the Framedragger fodder runs out there's the jurov fodder.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, yet another approach would be to do what ben_vulpes did, make a channel for it ?
mircea_popescu: merely addressing the latter may well get you out of addressing the former for a while to come.
mircea_popescu: there's in fact two separate problems. one of them is that large walls of robot generated text are hostile to human habitation. the OTHER however, is that the news value of the first factor of a modulus exceeds the news value of all subsequent factors summed by degrees of magnitude, because of the 0, 1 infinity rule.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, it would be entirely separate from what you got now neh ?
mircea_popescu: index by modulus so you only report each once and there you go.
mircea_popescu: have it add the timestamp whenever it reads ; push out one once the timestamp is old enough, and write the new timestamp next to it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, you could simply push that into a table and then have a script read from it to populate the rss
mircea_popescu: in my country they go "oac", which admittedly makes 0 sense. (in fact, my country is famous in the harem for having apparently never heard any of the animal sounds it purportedly renders.)
mircea_popescu: so when "educators" ie child molesters claim they produce "familiarity" in children with so and so, this is PRECISELY what they mean.
mircea_popescu: (laugh if you will, however a) this is EXACTLY what alphabet imagines "artificial intelligence" means and b) this is EXACTLY what they teach them to do in school these days. so... joke's on you, mr barbarian bereft of bayesian behehehnologies.)
mircea_popescu: reading can go surprisingly fast if it doesn't make much difference what order the words come in.
mircea_popescu: i'm still not certain he wasn't telling the truth even.
mircea_popescu: item promises getting out of having to do some thinking ; the ill equipped towards humanity find it indistinguishable from refined sugar.
mircea_popescu: ople" "interested" in shamanism, or no longer having to wash, or "what good are square roots anyway" will always be found.
mircea_popescu: but for the record, there will be an infinite stream of
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-04#1808813 until the very thermic death of the universe. and once we set the plague of french revolution to rest, and its sad effects are nowehre to be found in the world except for flaubert's books on the history of idiocy, there will SIMILARILY be "hi guise i am interested in the concept". exactly in the way and exactly for the reason "pe
☝︎ mircea_popescu: jurov, shit i completely forgot. absolutely, yes. can you bundle this up for asciilifeform to download ?
mircea_popescu: hanbot, i imagine it might pick up once he discovers that unlike ~everything else, stuff here's actually worth the trouble to read.